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Old 04-26-2012, 04:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Bad example.... Matt Brown and Dan Hardy need the UFC more than the UFC needs them. AS and GSP have enough money to retire today. The UFC needs them... trust me.
No, if they retire then they retire. The UFC will move on. Just like Football and any other sport when a big star retires another star emerges eventually.

The athlete is never bigger than the league or organization they work for.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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No, if they retire then they retire. The UFC will move on. Just like Football and any other sport when a big star retires another star emerges eventually.

The athlete is never bigger than the league or organization they work for.
The NFL is an already established organization, living very comfortably in the mainstream. As the UFC is on the doorstep of trying to break into this new spot light, they absolutely need the help of their top draws.

Look up the PPV numbers.... Now subtract GSP and AS....
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No, if they retire then they retire. The UFC will move on. Just like Football and any other sport when a big star retires another star emerges eventually.

The athlete is never bigger than the league or organization they work for.
Football and other sports are different, if Lebron James has a career ending injury there is another guy waiting. With mma Silva is top dog. The fact of the matter is Anderson Silva may be the best fighter on the planet. For the UFC to lose him it would be huge.

Just look at the Fedor situation, the man was highly profitable until he lost. With Silva unlike Fedor he actually proved he could beat the best the UFC has. Combine with that and his talent level another promotion could become big. Stars always come alone but I don't think there will be another Silva. Jon Jones may go down as the greatest of all time, but his stand up game is light years away from silva.
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The NFL is an already established organization, living very comfortably in the mainstream. As the UFC is on the doorstep of trying to break into this new spot light, they absolutely need the help of their top draws.

Look up the PPV numbers.... Now subtract GSP and AS....
Sure, maybe the UFC may suffer somewhat, but in the long run they will be fine. The loss would not be significant enough to let a few fighters push their organization around.

Remember when Tito Ortiz ruled the UFC and did not want to fight Liddell? He was the biggest star at the time, how did that work out for him?

And if AS called any shots then why is he fighting in Vegas now? Because the UFC told him he was.
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Sure, maybe the UFC may suffer somewhat, but in the long run they will be fine. The loss would not be significant enough to let a few fighters push their organization around.

Remember when Tito Ortiz ruled the UFC and did not want to fight Liddell? He was the biggest star at the time, how did that work out for him?
Well considering the dude isn't in any title contention and he's still fighting for $400k guaranteed.... not to bad.
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Well considering the dude isn't in any title contention and he's still fighting for $400k guaranteed.... not to bad.
If AS had so much say then why is he fighting Sonnen in Vegas now despite not wanting to? Because the UFC told him he was thats why.
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If AS had so much say then why is he fighting Sonnen in Vegas now despite not wanting to? Because the UFC told him he was thats why.
I never said fighters have final say. I said that the champions and more so champions like GSP and AS, have a lot more push than the average fighter.

There could be a million contract clauses and stipulations that could back a fighter in the corner and force him to accept something.
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I never said fighters have final say. I said that the champions and more so champions like GSP and AS, have a lot more push than the average fighter.

There could be a million contract clauses and stipulations that could back a fighter in the corner and force him to accept something.
Oh I agree there. Where we do not agree is the point that the UFC needs AS or GSP more than GSP and AS needs the UFC.

And I see we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
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See I would assume the average fighter has more to say then a champion. In the sense that, if some B level fighter refused to fight X person or at X venue, they're only hurting themselves. Where as if a champion refuses, they're hurting other fighters on their quest to become champ.

AS and GSP are amazing fighters, and probably the biggest draw in the sport. I just don't see them as the 'Howard Stern' of MMA, in which they can really dictate a business based on their success.
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