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View Poll Results: Should Brock Lesnar be in the UFC Hall of Fame ?

Yes, he basically has his own era. Brought fans and overcame a lot to win the title. 9 15.25%
No...just no. 46 77.97%
Eventually but not right now. 4 6.78%
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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He brought hundreds of millions of dollars into the sport, was the number one ranked HW in the world and defeated 3 UFC champions. Without Brock there is a chance MMA would not be around today. Ken Shamrock and Mark Coleman are hall of famers, if that's the bar and standard of a Hall of Famer than Brock has my vote.
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Very good question. I'm honestly not sure. I wanna to say yes because he brought so much publicity and new fans into the sport. But at the same time, he wasn't really here long enough. Guys like Hughes, Couture, Liddell etc were here since the beginning and have done so much for the sport.

I'm gonna go with no.
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I would say no, but I also wouldn't be upset if he did get in. Brock brought a lot of new fans, and made the sport grow a bit faster. Regardless though, the sport would have achieved what it has today anyway, might have taken a year longer or maybe just a few months longer, but it still would have been growing.
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UFC 80 - 225,000
UFC 81 - 600,000 - Brock
UFC 82 - 325,000
UFC 83 - 525,000
UFC 84 - 450,000
UFC 85 - 225,000
UFC 86 - 550,000
UFC 87 - 500,000 - Brock
UFC 88 - 510,000
UFC 89 - SPIKE TV
UFC 90 - 300,000
UFC 91 - 750,000 - Brock
UFC 92 - 1,000,000
UFC 93 - 350,000
UFC 94 - 800,000
UFC 95 - SPIKE TV
UFC 96 - 375,000
UFC 97 - 650,000
UFC 98 - 635,000
UFC 99 - 360,000
UFC 100 - 1,720,000 (MMA Record) - Brock
UFC 101 - 1,050,000
UFC 102 - 535,000
UFC 103 - 400,000
UFC 104 - 475,000
UFC 105 - SPIKE TV
UFC 106 - 375,000
UFC 107 - 620,000
UFC 108 - 300,000
UFC 109 - 275,000
UFC 110 - 240,000
UFC 111 - 770,000
UFC 112 - 500,000
UFC 113 - 520,000
UFC 114 - 1,050,000
UFC 115 - 620,000
UFC 116 - 1,200,000 - Brock
UFC 117 - 600,000
UFC 118 - 570,000
UFC 119 - 295,000
UFC 120 - SPIKE TV
UFC 121 - 1,050,000 - Brock
UFC 122 - SPIKE TV
UFC 123 - 500,000
UFC 124 - 785,000
UFC 125 - 270,000
UFC 126 - 725,000
UFC 127 - 260,000
UFC 128 - 445,000
UFC 129 - 850,000
UFC 130 - 300,000
UFC 131 - 325,000
UFC 132 - 350,000
UFC 133 - 310,000
UFC 134 - 335,000
UFC 135 - 450,000
UFC 136 - 250,000
So the hall of fame is about revenue now? I can understand the mainstream appeal but at one point we have to go the original intention of all hall of fames - which is achievement.

I think it's quite telling how the main argument has become his PPV numbers rather than his actual actions.
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Yes but Ken and Coleman were pioneers. Without them, there is no MMA. I don't have a problem with them being in it for that sole reason. They did more for the sport and the UFC than Brock ever did.
Guys like Coleman and Shamrock weren't really pioneers, IMO, they just got into the game at the right time, thanks to the Gracie's - they'd get their clocks thoroughly cleaned by today's fighters.
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The UFC hall of fame is kind of a joke... But despite that, Brock still doesn't deserve to be in it.
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So the hall of fame is about revenue now? I can understand the mainstream appeal but at one point we have to go the original intention of all hall of fames - which is achievement.

I think it's quite telling how the main argument has become his PPV numbers rather than his actual actions.
the story of the ufc and to an extent mma itselfs expansion into mainstream america is affected by brock. he is a hallmark on that journey. he achieved a lot and actually overcame a lot as well. the man is an exceptional story in purely sporting terms.

so we are not talking about an advertising exec here. but we are talking about that phenomenon x factor that ufc lacked for many years, especially in the heavyweight division, which despite the protestations of the purists remains a big draw for people in general.

my argument is simply that the story of the ufc has brock as one of the biggest landmarks. he practically had his own era. he became the anti fedor to counter the one thing dana could never buy and helped indirectly to achieve the second - a consolidated heavyweight division.
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The 2008 recession took a huge hit on most organizations, everything from professional basketball or pro-wrestling. Having someone come in and triple the revenue for the sport was huge, the UFC wasn't going to be able to create super fights for another few years. Also consider all the MMA organizations that collapsed during this period of time and how tenuous their grasp on the sport was. Josh Barnett tests positive and Affliction dies, Kimbo Slice gets KO'd EliteXC is done. Brock comes in, brings in enough money to pay for hundreds of the best fighters, this causes the UFC to become the established MMA league.
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The 2008 recession took a huge hit on most organizations, everything from professional basketball or pro-wrestling. Having someone come in and triple the revenue for the sport was huge, the UFC wasn't going to be able to create super fights for another few years. Also consider all the MMA organizations that collapsed during this period of time and how tenuous their grasp on the sport was. Josh Barnett tests positive and Affliction dies, Kimbo Slice gets KO'd EliteXC is done. Brock comes in, brings in enough money to pay for hundreds of the best fighters, this causes the UFC to become the established MMA league.
not forgetting the receeding hair lines on most of the key talent and ppv draws. we might have been in the tuf era, but the fact is a lot of the big names were the old ones and they were all getting older rapidly.

also its worth mentioning, yesterdays wrestling kids are todays ufc fans and tomorrows competitors and funders. the markets and talent pools are arguably intimately related.

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The 2008 recession took a huge hit on most organizations, everything from professional basketball or pro-wrestling. Having someone come in and triple the revenue for the sport was huge, the UFC wasn't going to be able to create super fights for another few years. Also consider all the MMA organizations that collapsed during this period of time and how tenuous their grasp on the sport was. Josh Barnett tests positive and Affliction dies, Kimbo Slice gets KO'd EliteXC is done. Brock comes in, brings in enough money to pay for hundreds of the best fighters, this causes the UFC to become the established MMA league.
I can see your point, but in all fairness, the UFC wouldn't have collapsed if Brock didn't join. Fedor never joined and back in the day everybody wanted to see him in the UFC. Had Fedor joined when they bought Pride, the numbers would have been MASSIVE, and yet the UFC is still around.

But I'll agree Brock helped the UFC a lot, especially during the recession, and brought a lot of fans and money into the sport...but the UFC would still be around even if he never came on board.
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