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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 04-29-2012, 12:11 PM Thread Starter
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Listen, if Rashad had nothing for Jones, then Jones had almost nothing for Rashad.

TL;DR: This was a crosspost from another forum and I felt the writer pretty much summed up exactly what I felt. Everyone here is giving JBJ a ton of credit in the Evans fight however I feel in this particular fight he's being incredibly over rated. Yes JJ won but he didn't dominate Evans and he lost a round to Evans. JJ played it safe the entire match and focused on just scoring points without doing any damage. Evans had nothing for JJ, but JJ had nothing for Evans either




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Watch without voice folks. Otherwise you just buy everything Goldie and Rogan say to you.

1-st round= Jones controlled the pace, landed a few punches, but that's it. Rashad landed a headkick that could as well KO Jones if it landed just a bit better. How is it having "nothing" for Jones? If he KO'ed him in that moment, you would be on Shad's nuts for a month. Anyway, considering the head kick and some punches thrown afterwards by Rashad, the round was about even. Is this the round 2 judges gave to Rashad?

2nd- For more than half a round it was even, then Jones got the advantage by landing those beautiful elbows. At the end he also landed a nice left hook.

3rd- Beautiful overhand right by Rashad. Had it landed properly and KO'ed Jones with it you would be... .
Significat strikes landed "45 Jones, 32 Rashad". How is that domination exactly? You mistake it with controling the pace of the action. But he didn't land that much up until that point. Most of it was blocked. You memorised the elbows as the ones that almost Killed Rashad. But the reality is that only one starggered him, and it was far from killing. For the rest of the round Jones controlls the pace as usual, but neither of them lands anything significant. So considering that the most significant strike landed in this round was Rashad's overhand right and the pace was controlled by Jones (which he didn't do much with as I said) the round was about even as well, same as first.

4th- Jones controlled the pace... and that's it. Both tried TD, but failed. Both landed some light shots, Jones may landed more, but these are pitter patter shots in all rounds. Jones was the aggressor as in all rounds. You gotta give this round to Jones, but not coz of damage, but rather Octagon Control. Yeah, there were also shoulder strikes at the end..

5th- "Significant strikes landed 90 Jones, 46 Evans" Clearly you can see that Jones landed more, but most of these shots were weak. As far as really signicifant shots are concerned I remember Jones' elbow of hell and few others elbows and Rashad's overhand right and the headkick.
Ok, back go action: Couple nice jabs landed by Jones and a power right hand that landed clean. I can see a frontkick land as well. Sort of a TD by Jones, but it was Rashad off balanced. He ate an elbow on the ground, though. Couple of shoulder strikes. Nothing else worth mentioning that would change the scoring. Jones controled bla bla bla. Both landed pitter patter in between as usual.

So tell me, how did Jones dominate Rashad in this fight? I looked more of a domination while listening to Rogan and Goldie, but in reality it wasn't. Controling the pace of the fight and being aggressive you call domination? lol. Twice as much strikes landed, but almost all nothing significant you call domination? The truth is that neither of man was close to finishing the fight. Jones staggered Rashad once, but didn't capitalize. Rashad landed 2 very solid strikes, that could have made a difference if landed cleaner (Jones has a pretty good chin too), Jones said himself he was rocked at one point.
You guys should watch fights without voice before you make silly statements like Rashad has nothing for Jones and Jones dominated. He didn't dominate shit. Rashad was very passive, gunshy and Jones was controling the pace, that's the story of this fight. + 1 hellbow.

Rashad has a shot if he uses his wrestling more, coz he didn't attempt almost any TD. He did attempt but it was rather not to get more elbowed, those were not TD you would expect from Rashad.
Who knows, if Rashad was more aggresive, maybe he could have done a lot better. Maybe he could have been finished by Jones by the same token too. But it is simple not true that Jones dominated that fight. He did ok, but nothing spectacular. The fight was lackluster to be honest. I was excited as shit, as probably most of you, but it's only coz of the significance of the fight itself. But in reality, if those were 2 strange guys, this would be a boring ass fight.
If Jones fought Anderson Silva in he would get murdered if he fought like he fought against Evans. Minus the takedowns, which he could get and elbow Silva "into Bolivian" (). But in a strict stand-up battle you guys make me laugh when you say that Jones would maul Silva, lol. Where did you get that impression from exactly? Which fight should I take a look at again?
Anderson's striking on the feet is 2 levels above Jones'. I would give the advantage in elbows to Jones, though. But let's not forget the elbow KO by Silva in the past.

Kid is great, but that was far from his best and impressive performance in general, so save the sucking for some other fight and give Rashad some props or flame both guys. And comparisons to Machida, I don't thing Machida did better. He landed only this 1 shot that was really significant. I feel Rashad had a better showing, but Machida left better impression, coz he took chances and wanted the belt bad.
I do feel disappointed a bit that Rashad didn't push the pace and go for broke when he knew he was losing the fight in the fifth. That was weak. He didn't show me he wanted it bad. It was almost like being content with surviving 5 rounds with Jones, which is not the way to win a fight against him in the future. You need to be aggressive and take some chances.

Inb4 a gif <didn't read> wall of text.

EDIT:// I don't disagree that it was sort of a dominating performance and that he CLEARLY won. I'm arguing that he didn't destroy Rashad as ppl claim he did. Rashad had his moments and it makes this "he has nothing for Jones" false. He can surely challenge him in the future if he make some adjustments.
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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 04-29-2012, 12:25 PM
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This may sound strange to some, but the Jones/Evans fight actually made me think of Shogun/Machida 1. I think in both of those fights, each fighter came in with too much respect for the other fighter, creating a "safe" gameplan from each side of the cage. So what you ended up with was a relative stale mate.

However, I think, just like Machida/Shogun... if there is to be a second Jones/Evans fight down the road... it will end in brutal fashion... the question would be from which side.
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Wishful thinking.

Jones was using Rashad for target practice throughout the fight. And giving Rashad a round based on one strike that landed is ridiculous.
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It was a bad post you mean.

Jones won convincingly and probably didn't even lose a round.

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it was a dominant decision. to be fair tho, without the ground and pound and the bloody flurries standing, there is a tendency to feel let down. jones did enough to beat him and then consolidated without risking too much. rashad seemed happy just to survive and possibly too hurt to mount a credible offence.
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well it was upto Rashad to push the action and after promising he had what it took to beat Jones and then show nothing was defo a blow to Rashad. Jones played a low tempo but he won easily, the ball was in Rashad's court, he was the challenger and he wasn't able to do anything.
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What?

Jones completely owned him for four rounds, Rashad had a head kick in the first and landed some solid punches but he was unable to get him down, and he was controlled easily whilst eating elbows, punches, kicks, and knees and was tossed to the floor like he was a child fighting a grown ass man.

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Yeh this post is pretty fail. It was CLEAR the jones whooped rashad for 4 rounds. And I like how bias the article is. "If rashad landed it better" "rashad was only staggered by the elbows" "jones's shots had no power".... Did you see the dent in rashads head? Did u see how relentless jones was? Rashad was eating shots left and right and 90% of rashads landed shots were glancing blows because by the time his punch was going to connect, jones had already moved almost out of range, only allowing the end of the punches to hit him. Rashad had 2 actually significant strikes in that fight, Jones was teeing off on him every other time.
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It was a dominant performance by Jones, but less dominant than say GSP vs Koscheck or GSP vs Hardy. It wasn't much different than Silva vs Maia/Leites/Cote really, only Rashad stood his ground more.

Jones played it safe for a points win, I don't believe he really tried to finish Rashad at any point. But then again, Rashad didn't exactly swing for the fences either.
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The OP is obviously a Rashad fan. Few examples:

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Rashad landed a headkick that could as well KO Jones if it landed just a bit better. How is it having "nothing" for Jones? If he KO'ed him in that moment, you would be on Shad's nuts for a month.
At this point (very beginning) the post lost it's credibility. So rounds are being judged by the "what if" speculations? No, Jones took that kick and recovered instantly.
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Beautiful overhand right by Rashad. Had it landed properly and KO'ed Jones with it you would be... .
Again, speculating much?
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Jones may landed more, but these are pitter patter shots in all rounds. Jones was the aggressor as in all rounds. You gotta give this round to Jones, but not coz of damage, but rather Octagon Control. Yeah, there were also shoulder strikes at the end..
Pitter patter? Like Rashad was doing any more damage. And those shoulder strikes the poster was almost sarcastic about, what did Rashad do in the meanwhile? Right, eating those elbow shots.
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"Significant strikes landed 90 Jones, 46 Evans" Clearly you can see that Jones landed more, but most of these shots were weak.


Fact is, other than the headkick and hook, Rashad didn't have anything to offer. He lasted 5 rounds and maybe didn't take as much damage as others have but did he dish out any punishment?

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