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Old 04-30-2012, 04:03 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I think Dana put the Fedor situation nicely. M-1 had the chance of a lifetime to make millions in UFC and they gambled and lost. Head shot, in my opinion.

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m1 represent the biggest long term threat to ufc worldwide on the planet. they run 100s of shows across europe and asia.
So Dana should praise them since they are competition?

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What does this have to do with Fedor being worth drastically less than he was before he lost three times? All Dana is saying that Fedor was at the perfect spot in his career to cash in huge. Fedor was undefeated and still had a mystique about him. M-1 played hardball and Fedor lost his next fight. Thems the breaks; they gambled and lost.

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fedor turns up, he beats people up and bs losses or no bs losses he is still EASILY top ten. lets put this in perspective....nog just came an ass hair away from kfto your next title challenger, mark hunt is chinning people all over the shop and brandan schaub was top 10 until last weekend.
This demonstrated how thin the HW division is but i'm not sure how this related to anything Dana said. Dana was saying Fedor and M-1 blew there chance at a big payday. Now they want more than they are worth. They are "done". Dana never said Fedor wasn't a good fighter, just that he blew his chance at the biggest fight ever.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:49 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I think Dana put the Fedor situation nicely. M-1 had the chance of a lifetime to make millions in UFC and they gambled and lost. Head shot, in my opinion.
In the nicest way possible, this is more neo colonial bs. M1 portrayed as the poor cousins. BS. They basically own russia and eastern europe and run shows all over europe and asia. what is this chance of a lifetime? they had fedor in usa and made millions. they bothered dana so much, he wound up buying strikeforce. Meanwhile each of fedors losses where indecisinve and or controversial. critically so in my opinion, before you even take in the stakes involved.
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So Dana should praise them since they are competition?
he should be a little less dumb. he is making himself look stupid. he basically slanders a foreign entity and the greatest fighter to ever fight. this is real dumb.
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What does this have to do with Fedor being worth drastically less than he was before he lost three times? All Dana is saying that Fedor was at the perfect spot in his career to cash in huge. Fedor was undefeated and still had a mystique about him. M-1 played hardball and Fedor lost his next fight. Thems the breaks; they gambled and lost.
again, fedor is worth drastically less to whom? the millions who watched him beat monson didnt seem to mind too much. reportedly 7.4 million. thats around 2 million more than danas two biggest viewing figures. there was an opportunity for a perfect marriage of conveniance there. but who really lost? i will give you that feodr lost some of his mistique, but i doubt this is really all about fedor. and frankly, lets looks at all the parties involved.

fedor performed courageously in 3 controversial losses. none of them where in any way decisive. the worst one, against silva was 1-1 ion rounds and a doc stoppage. it was basically the first round that fedor had even lost in how long. meanwhile m1 continue to use fedor and to build on their own powerbase and markets. they continue to get millions of viewers. hell they had millions of viewers even in america. what has dana done in russia. or germany.

lets look at the ufc parties. they lost a big payday. their heavyweight stable is consolidated and still the two big names, lesnar and overeem are out. and lesnar, the beast borrowed to dana. he really lost. there was nothing indecisive about his losses. he got his arse kicked twice in emphatic fashion. 3 times if you include what carwin did to him.
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This demonstrated how thin the HW division is but i'm not sure how this related to anything Dana said. Dana was saying Fedor and M-1 blew there chance at a big payday. Now they want more than they are worth. They are "done". Dana never said Fedor wasn't a good fighter, just that he blew his chance at the biggest fight ever.
maybe lesnar lost. maybe dana lost russia and the eastern european market. maybe dana lost the chance to put some of those 140 million russians on his ppv list and his future fighter list.

m1 and fedor continue to count their money and break markets that dana cant touch. and we lost as fans.

im not insulting you. you make some good points. but i dont buy your filtration of danas lies or your implied colonial viewpoint of two big markets - europe and russia.

frankly you could just as well be the guy saying this will never catch on in ufc1. or the guy saying pride will never die. or the guy laughing at tuf. the list goes on. dana white depends on world talent or else all he has is a good marketing machine and amatuer local wrestlers. no one wants to watch that. there is a reason ufc is 81% populated with us/brazil/canada/uk. dana knows his corner of the planet, but as mma goes global he represents nothing more or less than the american market. ufc brazil didnt just prove their was a market there. it demonstrated that there are companies that probably dont even exist in brazil yet that could one day buy the ufc. the world is a big place, and however you look at it, dana created an iron curtain and lost a big step in its market place.

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Old 04-30-2012, 06:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Fedors loses were in no way controversial. Getting tapped and Ko'd twice is pretty rock solid
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Fedors loses were in no way controversial. Getting tapped and Ko'd twice is pretty rock solid
speak for yourself and (il be generous) speak for the 5% of the planet earth that is american. and come back when you do find those weapons of mass destruction son.

and just for a laugh, il go further into dana whites mind and give you his worst nightmare. dana white turned up in brazil and he heard ole ole ! this scared dana to death because he knew he wasnt sitting in a room with a few drunk nfl fans. these were real football fans. from the 95% of the planet that isnt american and doesnt give two hoots about hand egg ball. this side of the planet spends billions on football. this side of the planet stomps the provincial toe nail of hand egg ball and makes the whole of american sports look like a fart in an egg cup. and where is this market predominantly based. thats right, europe, south america and worldwide.

danas worst nightmare isnt boxing, or strikeforce. danas woirst nightmare is someone harnessing that market of voilence loving boxing raised fans and putting on show after show for them. as i stated previopusly lets look at the evidence. the entire attendance figure for ufc 1- now wouldnt keep man utd happy for a month of home games. these are the fans raised on boxing that pay millions to see two of the most boring heavyweights in the history of the sport fight in germany. a market that ufc failed miserably in... because supposedly germans dont like violence.

dana dont get the planet and dana dont get the football crowd. what dana owns is the talent and the american market. he also owns the bs dynamic that fighting in america makes the americans look better than they are. fighting in a cage makes the american wrestlers look better than they are. 55% american fighters in his org makes americans look better than they are.

however you cut it though, that critical 45% that isnt americans is dans real holdings in the sport of mma. those trophys and token signings are why we watch ufc. and as brazil blows up and possibly india, along with the existing markets in asia and europe that 45% of ufc that isnt american is danas nukes. they are danas strategic advantage.

and heres the bottom line..... when ufc loses the economic preemenance in markets it cant possibly compete in or has basically being barred from... then those trophies go too.

and then ufc will be the old show no one cares about anymore. you might think im nuts or im joking, but these are the nightmares that keeps dana up at night. it would only take a death in the octagon to mess up his shit. it only takes a failed drug test or a dodgy knee to mess up his shit. and meanwhile the world market is growing around his ears and dana sees this and there is nothing he can do about it.

that really is all ive got to say in this thread.

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Old 04-30-2012, 08:11 PM   #25 (permalink)
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dana just doesnt get it

m1 represent the biggest long term threat to ufc worldwide on the planet. they run 100s of shows across europe and asia.

fedors fight against monson was 7.4 million on russian tv. thats 2 million more than brock (retired) v reem (drugs cheat) - if you want to bash fighters dana lets get something straight.

where are brock and reem now. one is on wwe and one is in a drugs trial.

fedor turns up, he beats people up and bs losses or no bs losses he is still EASILY top ten. lets put this in perspective....nog just came an ass hair away from kfto your next title challenger, mark hunt is chinning people all over the shop and brandan schaub was top 10 until last weekend.

dana is a joke. thats why he is now nakedly attacking m1 when people ask him about fedor.

the truth is that in this sport, on any givin night, legends like fedor and nog could beat anyone.

silva is retiring, jds is relatively one dimensional, jones would be in hell against a sambo guy with vicious unrelenting stand up and a slick ground game.

you suck dana and poll after poll confirms fedor as the most popular guy that people want to be signed on the planet. even now in 2012.

you suck dana. and you deflection, lies and conjecture are disgusting. go watch criminal minds or even lie to me so you can learn not to give the game away as the transparent lying sociopath that you are.

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Meanwhile each of fedors losses where indecisinve and or controversial.
Ok that is where I stopped reading. If you think Fedor's loses were in someway indecisive or controversial then there is really no reason to read anything you have to say. I like Fedor and wouldn't mind seeing him in the UFC, but He tapped, couldn't continue and got KTFO, you can't get anymore decisive than that.
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Fedors loses were in no way controversial. Getting tapped and Ko'd twice is pretty rock solid
Exactly what I was thinking. How is tapping to Werdum "controversial"? Or having his ass handed to him by Silva & Henderson remotely "controversial"? They're not.

Lolwut was living in a fantasy world, and now I see that he's banned.... Doesn't really surprise me.

And I must say: While I'm a fan of Emelianenko's, it was kinda nice seeing him get humbled in his 3 losses. It's nice to see that he IS definitely human!
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If Fedor really is part owner of a decent chunk of M1-Global then I understand why he and his team insist on co-promotion.

A fighters career is short, you need to make plans for life after fighting, and I think Fedor has a plan and is not going to let Dana white change them. Plus Fedor is a proud man and proud of his culture, I don't think that to him money is a substitute to basically being your own boss.

Obviously Dana is not going to bend over backwards to Fedor's demands because it would set a bad precedent.

don't you think Fedor is already, comfortably set for life, his own and his family on at least 1 or 2 generations?
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Fedor would be a great addition for the HW div in UFC.Dana is just saying this cus he cant agree with the m1 mobs!

He is just lying.Do i think he is better than JDS,Overeem or Cain? No i dont.But i still think he would be one of the better fighters in there.

to say that Fedor is not good enough for the HW div in UFC is just a total BS.I mean come on,he took in Mark Hunt who where on a 5-6 loss streak!

I believe Fedor would have been in UFC by now if it werent for those Russian scumbags in M1-Global.That is reason why Fedor isnt in UFC and why he never will be
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Just a quick note, Viking. Dana had to give Mark Hunt fights in the UFC. Part of Zuffa's deal when they bought out Pride was to honor the contracts of the fighters they had. Hunt still had fights on his contract. Ergo they had to let him fight.

In my honest opinion - after watching Fedor's last 10 fights - I don't think he would do much if anything in the UFC. He doesn't have that same ability he used to. He'd beat some low level guys and maybe a mid level or two but anything approaching top tier would murder him.
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