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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 05-09-2012, 03:41 PM
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In my opinion this was 100x worse. I was watching this fight and it showed me Jackson just doesn't care. He crossed the line between motivating his fighter and endangering someone's well being. Thank god the doctors stepped in and called the fight.



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I don't see the problem. It's Greg's job to try and motivate his fighters no matter what. While it's the doctors job to make sure they don't kill themselves. I mean, who is Greg to say his fighter has had enough? He's not licensed to make that decision so why bother?

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It's entirely possible Jackson is simply trying to motivate his fighters to go above and beyond. It's a rough game, after all, and every little boo-boo isn't cause to throw in the white towel.
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I don't see the problem. It's Greg's job to try and motivate his fighters no matter what. While it's the doctors job to make sure they don't kill themselves. I mean, who is Greg to say his fighter has had enough? He's not licensed to make that decision so why bother?

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Have you watched the fight? If not, please don't comment. They literally had to pick this guy up off the floor. He was completely unresponsive in the corner. Greg had to slap his face multiple times just to get any eye contact with the guy. You don't need to be a Dr. to know that fight should have been stopped.
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I thing is... fighters arent doctors. How many times have you hurt yourself before and said "man i think a broke it" when in reality you didnt. Sure alot of his points are questionable but in the end it is the FIGHTERS decision to say "NO, im NOT going to keep going" when their manager wants them to. If you had a coach that everytime u said "coach i cant go anymore" and he said "alright then go home for the day" you probably had a horrible coach.

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I thing is... fighters arent doctors. How many times have you hurt yourself before and said "man i think a broke it" when in reality you didnt. Sure alot of his points are questionable but in the end it is the FIGHTERS decision to say "NO, im NOT going to keep going" when their manager wants them to. If you had a coach that everytime u said "coach i cant go anymore" and he said "alright then go home for the day" you probably had a horrible coach.
You're playing dumb and drastically under playing this situation. This wasn't a "coach my foot hurts". The bell rang and this guy could NOT get off the ground. The ref goes over to him and says "fighter, if you can't return to your corner, the fights over". This dude still barely moves... then he starts barely moving over there when his trainers basically carry him the rest of the way. He's sitting on the stool.... almost unconscious while GJ is slapping him in the face telling him to wake up.

Like I mentioned before, until you watch the fight... Please hold your opinions. This fighter was not in a position to understand what was best for him. He has an amazing heart because the stupid sum of a bitch was ready to go back out there and probably fight to his damn death.
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You're playing dumb and drastically under playing this situation. This wasn't a "coach my foot hurts". The bell rang and this guy could NOT get off the ground. The ref goes over to him and says "fighter, if you can't return to your corner, the fights over". This dude still barely moves... then he starts barely moving over there when his trainers basically carry him the rest of the way. He's sitting on the stool.... almost unconscious while GJ is slapping him in the face telling him to wake up.

Like I mentioned before, until you watch the fight... Please hold your opinions. This fighter was not in a position to understand what was best for him. He has an amazing heart because the stupid sum of a bitch was ready to go back out there and probably fight to his damn death.
Then that's the fault of the referee. The fight should have been stopped right there if he needed help to get back to his corner. You can't fault Greg for trying to wake the guy up so he could possibly win.
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Then that's the fault of the referee. The fight should have been stopped right there if he needed help to get back to his corner. You can't fault Greg for trying to wake the guy up so he could possibly win.
Have you watched the fight since you last posted? Maybe you're just not going to get it until you see it.
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Have you watched the fight since you last posted? Maybe you're just not going to get it until you see it.
I've seen it now. I still have no problem with what Greg did. The article blows it out of proportion and they say he slapped him when he gave him a few gentle taps on the shoulder and under the chin. He's just trying to get his fighter to come back to reality, it's something Greg has to deal with a lot I'm sure.

I have more of a problem with the idiot referee and doctors allowing someone to lose that much blood and continue fighting. He was obviously done at the end of the 3rd round and the ref should've stopped it when he couldn't get up on his own.
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I saw the fight as well early today, and I am not putting much of the blame on his corner but his corner is also responsible for their fighters health and safety. For example, why did Bj penn's own corner throw in the towel? In boxing why have so many corners thrown in the towel? The reason is because they don't want their fighter to take any more punishment.

It doesn't happen as often in MMA as it does in boxing, but the corner as much as their job is to motivate and install confidence in their fighters, a part of their job is still making sure their fighter doesn't take unnecessary punishment.

I will also admit the coaches and corner men know their fighters a lot better than any of us do, but I don't agree with the argument the that the onus for fighters safety only falls on the ref and doctor. Part of it still falls on the fighter's own corner, in my opinion.


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If you are hurt and you aren't going to quit then you can't let the injury overtake you mentally and that is what Jackson is trying to prevent. If it gets into your head too much you are risking greater damage to yourself. His advice in this situation was poor he should have told him to throw more kicks and go for takedowns to stall out the round.
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It won't matter.

Dodson will still have the belt by the end of the year.

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