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Old 05-09-2012, 09:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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John Dodson Sidelined ’6 to 7 Weeks’


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Ultimate Fighter season 14 winner John Dodson had a tough bout for his first match-up after winning the show, but came away victorious in his fight against Tim Elliott at UFC on Fox 3.

It didn’t come without a cost, however, as Dodson broke his hand in the opening round, and literally had to fight with one less weapon for the majority of the fight.

The injury occurred early in the first round. As he goes back and watches the fight now, Dodson knows exactly where it happened.

“It happened in the first round. I re-watched it. It happened at like 2 minutes, 24 seconds into the fight, and I hit him with that overhand left and I tried to double up on it with two punches. I couldn’t make a fist anymore,” Dodson told MMAWeekly Radio following the fight.

“I was trying to make a fist in my glove and it wasn’t working out too well. I even told Greg (Jackson) after the first, ‘I think I broke my hand.’ He goes, ‘punch him with it,’ and I was like cool.”

So taking the advice of his coach, Dodson tried to put the pain in the back of his mind and just fight his fight. Unfortunately, his left hand had other ideas when he actually connected on a punch.

“I was trying to throw it, but it was a very sharp reminder, a very sharp painful reminder not to throw it,” Dodson stated.

Luckily for Dodson his overall skills still prevailed and he was able to pull out a decision win over Elliott.

Following the fight, Dodson visited a physician who gave him the final diagnosis, revealing that he had definitely broken his hand in the fight.

The good news is he won’t be sidelined for very long at all.

“I already saw the doctor. They said I’m out for about six or seven weeks and I’ll be good,” Dodson revealed.

As far as what’s next for the UFC’s newest flyweight contender, Dodson isn’t going to call anybody out or say he wants any particular fight. He’s not even going to declare that he should be in the 125-pound title picture.

“I just want to take it however the UFC gives me because I’m not going to sit there and tell people I want a title shot. I’m not going to sit there and say I want it now,” said Dodson.

“I want to fight. That’s the only thing that’s ever mattered to me.”
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I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here, but it's regarding Greg Jackson's coaching style between rounds.

I think it's great for a coach and trainer to motivate their fighter in a corner between rounds to overcome an injury and go back out and compete, but this isn't the first time Greg's told a fighter something that could be detrimental to the fighter's health and longevity of their overall career.

For example in the GSP fight with Shields when GSP couldn't even see out of his right eye (think it was the right) Jackson told him not to worry and keep fighting. With Alves when he tore his groin etc.

I just think there has to come a time when the win doesn't out weigh the victory, if you allow your fighter to further injure themselves, and with his "Greg's" track record, one day he will pay a price by allowing an injured fighter to go out and continue competing as hard as they can, when they are already injured.

I always felt that way about Greg's coaching style, and never bothered bringing it up till now. Do any of you feel the same way?
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think Jackson knows these fighters better than we ever could. I have always felt that he knows that sometimes they need the reminder in the fight of how they will feel after the fight if they don't give their all. A lot of fighters after a bad fight go into a slump, in training, personal lives, and in the cage. The reality is that these guys can probably better live with the injury if they know they gave it their all rather than it being a reminder of the time they didn't try hard enough and got beat to crap.

These guys are in the UFC because they aren't quitters, I think Greg reminds them of that during the fight.
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I think Jackson knows these fighters better than we ever could. I have always felt that he knows that sometimes they need the reminder in the fight of how they will feel after the fight if they don't give their all. A lot of fighters after a bad fight go into a slump, in training, personal lives, and in the cage. The reality is that these guys can probably better live with the injury if they know they gave it their all rather than it being a reminder of the time they didn't try hard enough and got beat to crap.

These guys are in the UFC because they aren't quitters, I think Greg reminds them of that during the fight.
I agree with everything you said, and in all fairness the only fight that really stands out was the GSP shields fight. I thought if you can't see, the win might not be as valuable as the fighters overall health. But at the end of the day I am not a professional fighter, so I can't say it's a bad call on their part to continue fighting.
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That reminds me of my old sports teacher. His catchphrase was "put some ice on it and come back". He'd say it every time someone gut hurt, like a haematoma or a bloody nose or an open finger fracture.

Good times.

Obviously punching someone with a broken hand is not a good idea. I hope he doesn't mean it literally.




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I agree with everything you said, and in all fairness the only fight that really stands out was the GSP shields fight. I thought if you can't see, the win might not be as valuable as the fighters overall health. But at the end of the day I am not a professional fighter, so I can't say it's a bad call on their part to continue fighting.
Yeah, that one I agree with, I personally would have probably called a doc to look at it. Then again imagine how pissed GSP would have been if he lost that fight because of a doc stoppage when he felt he could continue? I know it is good for the health of the fighter, but there is also the mental health to be looked at.

Again, I don't know these guys anywhere as near as close as Jackson or any other coach, so I usually don't question what they are being told in the corner (unless it is Rampage coaching on TUF).
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As long as medical stoppages count as a loss, these things will continue to happen. I really don't think it would've been right for GSP to forfeit a title in a fight that he was obviously perfectly capable of winning with one eye. Or for Dodson to forfeit a 6 figure contract under similar circumstances.
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Hope he heals up to 100% because he is going to do some damage in that division.
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As long as medical stoppages count as a loss, these things will continue to happen. I really don't think it would've been right for GSP to forfeit a title in a fight that he was obviously perfectly capable of winning with one eye. Or for Dodson to forfeit a 6 figure contract under similar circumstances.
I'm not saying Dodson should have stopped the same way Faber fought through two broken hands in a fight. This is simply a discussion on the matter...food for thought.
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In my opinion this was 100x worse. I was watching this fight and it showed me Jackson just doesn't care. He crossed the line between motivating his fighter and endangering someone's well being. Thank god the doctors stepped in and called the fight.

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For the first time in years as a fan of mixed martial arts (MMA), I found myself disgusted while watching the main event of MFC 33 last night (Fri., May 4, 2012) between Nathan Coy and Ryan McGillivray. It had nothing to do with amount of blood, or the pounding that McGillivray was going through.

No, it had to do with the actions taken by McGillivray's head trainer, Greg Jackson, between the third and fourth rounds.

After three brutal rounds of punishment at the hands of Coy, a clearly dazed and blood drained McGillivray had to be assisted to his corner by his coaching staff. His head coach, Jackson began slapping his face and shoulder while telling the near unconscious 25-year-old to "wake up" and that "he can still win this fight."

Even veteran trainer and commentator Pat Militech, who was calling the fight for HDNet, couldn't believe what he was seeing and hearing out of the fighters corner, stating that Ryan's camp "should throw in the towel" for their unresponsive fighter.

Luckily for McGillivray and his family, the referee and ringside doctor had seen enough and decided to stop the fight before he took any more unnecessary damage.

Still, this is an issue in MMA that hardly seems to be addressed and Jackson is at the forefront of it. As the most recognizable trainer in the entire sport, he should be held to a higher standard. This also isn't the first time there have been issues with Jackson's instructions to his fighters between rounds. He also notably ignored Georges St. Pierre when the welterweight champion told him he couldn't see out of one of his eyes during his UFC 129 title defense against Jake Shields.

It's entirely possible Jackson is simply trying to motivate his fighters to go above and beyond. It's a rough game, after all, and every little boo-boo isn't cause to throw in the white towel.

Then again, it certainly looked like McGillivray needed someone to save him from himself. Maniacs, what are your thoughts on Jackson's actions last night?

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In my opinion this was 100x worse. I was watching this fight and it showed me Jackson just doesn't care. He crossed the line between motivating his fighter and endangering someone's well being. Thank god the doctors stepped in and called the fight.



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I didn't even know about this fight and I'm glad you posted that. That was the feeling I got from Jackson over the years, that he cared more about the win than the safety of his fighter. I'm going to look that video up now.

I always got that weird feeling about him, and this allows me to kind of trust the gut feeling I had towards him, after watching him many times in the corner.

Case in point, when BJ Penn's corner threw in the towel against GSP, I have a very very strong feeling, Greg would have never done that....but in that fight it was the right thing to do.
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