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post #21 of 47 (permalink) Old 05-17-2012, 03:45 PM
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What an awful fight. BJ is irrelevant now and should stay retired, and Koscheck is never going to be a champion. Koscheck needs to stay in his role as gatekeeper and fight up-and-comers like he did with Hendricks.
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Former UFC Lightweight and Welterweight champion B.J. Penn is apparently not interested in facing long-time Welterweight contender Josh Koscheck in the Octagon anytime soon. Bloody Elbow reported earlier today that Koscheck tweeted he had accepted an offer from the UFC to face Penn and was awaiting the mercurial Hawaiian's answer.

Well he won't have to wait anymore. Penn took to Twitter himself:

@joshkoscheck I know it costs a lot of money to live that lavish lifestyle, big house, fast cars & you need big fights but sorry I'm not coming back anytime soon!

Penn last fought at UFC 137 in October 2011 against Nick Diaz, dropping a unanimous decision. Previously he fought Jon Fitch to a majority draw at UFC 127 in February of last year.

Penn held the Lightweight title until losing it to Frankie Edgar at UFC 112. He rematched Edgar at UFC 118 and lost another decision before moving up to Welterweight for his last 3 fights.
Guess we can forget about this one. And it seems a certain Hawaiian has seen that video of Koscheck's house.

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Thanks God.... BJ just keep enjoying life man. You've got nothing left to prove.
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My question is why would the UFC even mention this to Kos without asking BJ if he would take the fight or even consider taking the fight?

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Not really interested in seeing Penn back now.

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Bad fight for BJ. Kos is a better wrestler than Hughes and if he can take BJ down, which I think he eventually will, then I don't see BJ standing back up. KOS GNP is nonexistent however so maybe BJ can be successful with a sub. Bad fight IMO overall though for BJ.

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Besides landing the better shots taking him down and taking his back?
So basically you are saying he had a better round, which I agree with, but how does that make him a better fighter (key words here) considering he loss a lopsided decision?

Are we now judging fighters by the first round while discounting the others? I guess Dan Henderson is a better fighter than Anderson Silva then.

Truth of the matter is if BJ/Diaz fight was a fight to the death with no rounds and no time limit Bj would have been put to rest, judging by that fight, so by what standard are we using "better fighter"?

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Don't be scared Hawaiian, take the fight.
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So basically you are saying he had a better round, which I agree with, but how does that make him a better fighter (key words here) considering he loss a lopsided decision?

Are we now judging fighters by the first round while discounting the others? I guess Dan Henderson is a better fighter than Anderson Silva then.

Truth of the matter is if BJ/Diaz fight was a fight to the death with no rounds and no time limit Bj would have been put to rest, judging by that fight, so by what standard are we using "better fighter"?
No but I think the fact that when they were both fresh BJ clearly was the better fighter illustrates he is more skilled, Diaz only came back to win the latter rounds because BJ showed up unmotivated and lacked the conditioning to continue the same for 2 more rounds. Diaz may have been the better fighter that night because he was in shape but BJ is clearly the more skilled fighter and if he was motivated he would have dominated that fight.




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post #30 of 47 (permalink) Old 05-17-2012, 09:27 PM
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No but I think the fact that when they were both fresh BJ clearly was the better fighter illustrates he is more skilled, Diaz only came back to win the latter rounds because BJ showed up unmotivated and lacked the conditioning to continue the same for 2 more rounds. Diaz may have been the better fighter that night because he was in shape but BJ is clearly the more skilled fighter and if he was motivated he would have dominated that fight.
But that has been the story throughout his career hasn't it? When BJ wins, he dominates, when he loses he loses because of lack of motivation. I doubt anyone will deny that BJ Penn is an enormous talent, but that fact that people believe that he is almost unstoppable if motivated or well trained is frankly misinformed judging by his fight history. It's a cop-out really, one that makes him impossible to lose in the minds of his more rabid fans.

I consider myself a big fan but I don't fool myself into thinking it's a training issue or lack of motivation issue. It's a BJ Penn issue, it's a mental issue, and a personal issue. And it's an issue which should get judged as a whole when judging him as a fighter. BJ Penn isn't 16-8 but 24-0 if he were motivated, he's 16-8 period.

It is as much an attribute (a negative one) as lack of chin, lack of heart, lack of size, lack of mental stability or lack of anything else is to any other fighter, so why we judge him differently?

Nick Diaz is a better fighter, that fight proved that. BJ Penn is potentially, at least most of the time, the most talented fighter in the ring with whoever he gets in there with. That's why he was considered P4P for so many years. But is he a better fighter than Nick Diaz, at least at this point? No.

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