ashokjr

Agreed but here is the thing. He does have a high percentage of loses in his record. Goes far to show that even though talent is good, there is simply no substitute for hard work.

2zwudz

BJ does not need this fight. Koscheck needs to stir things up to get himself back in the peoples eyes and that is what I see. Stir things up with Leben...Joshie boy. He'll fight ya!!!!

HitOrGetHit

I wasn't commenting on his motivation or lacktherof. I was responding to the idea that he isnt proven or hasn't done many exceptional things.

And he has zero losses to anyone that isn't at the top. Nick Diaz, Frankie Edgar, GSP, Lyoto Machida, Matt Hughes (Prime) and Jens Pulver (Prime) are the only people who have beaten him.

All I am saying is that BJ Penn has already proven himself and to imply that he doesn't have many "exceptional" achievements is pretty ridiculous.

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M.C

Penn has achieved more in this sport than most people even dream of in their respective careers.

He's a two division title holder at 2 weight classes above where he could and should be fighting, he went the distance with Machida at heavyweight (Machida weighed 225 in that fight), and has defended his title more than anyone in the division at LW, and is considered the most dominant 155er in the sports history at this point by many.

Out of this 26 fights, 11 of them are title fights and out of his last 12 fights, 9 of them were title fights. His losses mean little, he only fights champions and #1 contenders.

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TheLyotoLegion

When BJ was working hard he was one of the absolute best in the world, and this wasn't that long ago. He completely tore through Stevenson, Sherk, Florian, and Sanchez and quite a few felt like he beat Edgar the first time.

His motivation certainly did hurt his career though, if the Penn from 2008 and 2009 was still fighting I don't have a doubt in my mind he'd be the Champion to this day. That BJ was a savage.

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TheOldAssassin

Maybe it's just as well this fight fizzled, from Koscheck's perspective: A while back he was talking about moving up to MW - and what's the bet that he will be doing a lot more than talking about it if Anderson Silva does lose to Chael Sonnen this time around?

And don't even get me started about which LHWs will move down to MW if AS loses!

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Leakler

Glad this fight isn't happening, I want BJ to stay retired. He's one of my all time faves, and i'd probably give this to Koscheck (as much as it pains me to say this).