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post #11 of 86 (permalink) Old 06-01-2012, 02:19 PM
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Shogun will eventually take the fight. It'll just take a little more money. Otherwise, Dana will keep embarrassing him in public like this. He's making it seem like Shogun is scared and I'm sure he's not happy about it.
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I hope you're not talking about Alexander Gustaffson, because Gustaffson's literally one win away from a title shot, some guy who just beat up Kyle Kingsbury shouldn't be getting top five fights.

Shogun vs. Gus works, Shogun vs. Rashad would be even better too and you can just give Gustaffson the winner of Jones/Hendo. I've wanted to see it for years and no one wants to see Shogun/Jones 2 or Jones/Evans 2, they're regressing, Jones is progressing. So why not? People aren't gonna buy UFC 149 anyway because of Aldo/Koch, Shogun/Rashad would easily help that card out big time.
I was brainstorming. Gustaf vs Shogun would make a lot more sense although he did beat Thiago. Gustaf beats Shogun then he gets the next title shot for sure. If Shogun wins he's "back in the mix" as they say. But Glover...nah...he doesn't deserve it yet.

Somebody TWEET Dana now about Gustaf vs Shogun!


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Well put it this way. You've spent your entire career forging your name. It's up to you to decide who you fight is it not. I think him/his camp have earned that right. Glover is dangerous and if he wins that would pretty much place Shogun (former LHW champ) at the bottom right next to Machida which is insane. Cuz these two should be top three or five.

Fights fans like ourselves always want good fights. But I'm just stating that I can see where they are coming from. There's too much to lose at this point. He lost to JBJ, lost a very hard fought battle against Hendo (probably the best fight I've witnessed in MMA history after carefully going over the catalog of fights I've seen since 1993.) He CAN NOT afford to lose another one especially against a very dangerous rising star. But you see that's where JDS is a beast cuz that guy fought anyone at anytime; Roy Nelson, Mirko, Gilbert Yvel (super dangerous striker), Brock/Carwin even though he was already guaranteed a title shot...but he was on a huge winning streak and had momentum. So Shogun and his entire camp see how pivotal this fight is for them. One moment he's fighting for legacy (which is pretty much in stamp) then next he's fighting for his job. Crazy turn of events...

So I'd go with Gustaf as a solid replacement.

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Don't be scared Shogun!

With that said, I understand his position, not really much to gain from the fight.

Still sucks though.

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This is one of those incredibly rare moments I find myself appreciating Chael Sonnen... just fight. If it's a fight the guy doesn't deserve because he's not good enough for you, then you should beat him soundly right? If he beats you, he clearly deserved the fight in the first place.
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If it's a fight the guy doesn't deserve because he's not good enough for you, then you should beat him soundly right? If he beats you, he clearly deserved the fight in the first place.
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I feel for Shogun, the guys willing to fight Rampage...who pulls out then Thiago Silva who pulls out and now he get's an unknown fighter who he won't be able to study and properly train for. It's rough for the guy.

However,

He was given a title shot against Machida with wins over Coleman and Liddell, a title shot which he lost and was then granted an immediate rematch. The UFC needs men to fight for the 205 title which means developing prospects. Also keep in mind he's facing someone who is actually two years older than him. But if Shogun loses then it's time to drop down to MW. Hell retire Anderson and hold a Grand Prix.
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is he even able to drop to MW?

and if he could, dropping weight is not the solution to everything. Draining your body affects your cardio and, I believe, shortens your career in the long run.


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is he even able to drop to MW?

and if he could, dropping weight is not the solution to everything. Draining your body affects your cardio and, I believe, shortens your career in the long run.
Right now he's a .500 fighter at 205 in a division that's going to likely be reenforced with HW's. The current MW top five all features men who fought at 205. And for Shogun with his knee issues, cutting down his body weight can only help him. Right now he has maybe two years left at 205 at MW maybe he'll last till 40.
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This is one of those incredibly rare moments I find myself appreciating Chael Sonnen... just fight. If it's a fight the guy doesn't deserve because he's not good enough for you, then you should beat him soundly right? If he beats you, he clearly deserved the fight in the first place.
Shogun is a former champ and a more accomplished fighter. It's no different than Hendo, Couture or Rampage wanting big fights.

Sonnen on the other hand is a mid level guy trying to make his way up by any means necessary.
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Rua is 4-4 in the Ufc now, and were I can understand some points I can't understand others. Thiago Silva was probably a worse fight for him, silva is on a 3 fight losing streak and is probably lower in the ranks than glover. I feel like Rua maybe a bit scared here, he doesn't want to lose and he has nothing to gain, but I think he has nothing to gain from any other fight at the minute either. I think he's maybe 3 fights away from another shot at the title and I think he needs to realise that.

Shogun vs Davis makes sense here with everything happening.

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