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Old 06-01-2012, 07:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If it was abuse then the commission would've chosen a lower required ratio.
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Contrary to what many people seem to think, most drug-tested sports do allow athletes to use anabolic steroids if they qualify for a therapeutic use exemption (TUE). The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and Major League Baseball (MLB) both have procedures in place for athletes to request permission to use steroids when medically indicated.

The Independent Program Administrator of MLB’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program is responsible for reviewing an athlete’s medical records and determining whether the otherwise banned performance-enhancing drug is medically necessary.

And MLB has allowed a few players to use injectable and/or topical testosterone as a treatment for hypogonadism.

Three MLB players were given the green flag to “dope” with testosterone in 2008 and one player was permitted to use the steroid in 2009.
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Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but most of the heavier weight classes and a lot of the lighter weights use some form of PED's for workout recovery.
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Mir was within the allowed levels, Overeem wasn't.
Just at the time of the test. All they do to test "normal" is to time their testosterone shots around the drug test. That's why Dana White was so mad at Overeem, because it's so simple to avoid a positive test.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:31 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Btw....from 2009.

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FrANABOLIC look good as hell when he KTFO him like that. I'd pick Mir over a lot of people at the moment. The roids allowed him to mantain his speed.

And this thread the OP accused him.

http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/68277-so...-down-but.html

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People are generally defensive of athletes. I was saying the sane thing inntge discussion thread. Many inside sources state that many fighters cycle, and sometimes are encouraged to do so. Mir, IMO is juicing undoubtedly. That's just an unnatural size gain in that short of a time. Gaining that much muscle is ridiculous enough, then doing this while also training MMA. His body shouldvr been destroyed, unless you are of course taking a muscle rehabilitator....aka roids.

All this steroids body stuff is nonsense as well. Clemens, Barnett, Gatlin, etc didn't have WWE bodies because they didn't bodybuild. They were just big as shit. And in Barnett's case, not even.
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My commentary on it was pretty much spot on. You saw a lot of that typical fingers in your ears, hands over eyes "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" kind of defensiveness....some dismissing it outright as "pathetic"....yet it was quite obvious and well...true.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:33 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Just at the time of the test. All they do to test "normal" is to time their testosterone shots around the drug test. That's why Dana White was so mad at Overeem, because it's so simple to avoid a positive test.
That test was random so no one knew it was happening, unless the UFC devised some sort of scheme to get Overeem and only Overeem caught.
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I try to be civil in these discussions, I think inflammatory comments do nobody any good.

That said, this is just stupid. Seriously stupid. Ralph Wiggum stupid. Overeem's T/E levels were 14 times the average levels, and he tried to pretend it was because there was synthetic T in his anti-inflammatory medication (Not TRT as you stupidly claim.)

Mir, on the other hand, has not been tested with abnormal levels of testosterone as defined by the commission, and hasn't tried to bypass the commission's regulations with childish excuses.

Your comparison is idiotic.
This post is idiotic, Overeem was randomly drug tested when his levels were so high, Frank Mir how ever got his levels down just in time for fight night but who's to say he wernt training leading up to the fight with crazy levels higher than the reem's.
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Innocent till proven guilty, lets flame Mir if he pisses hot, till then it's all personal opinion and speculation and no one can argue otherwise. Lets keep it civilized guys
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Oh, I GUARANTEE he was on freak superhuman levels while training.

This is the same shit Nate Marquardt pulled....and he actually, amazingly enough got his suspension wiped out because he was able to prove his levels were trending down....which is so comical it's actually infuriating.

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Maybe I should go see my doctor about TRT. You know, find out what the fuzz is all about.
I hear it's great. I know of two 40 year old people that started it, and can lift 100 lbs more. Which is why it should be kept far far away from competition sports.
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