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**DJ Syko** · 06-05-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by _RIVAL_

C'mon Tox you can't be serious... isn't his record around 2-3-1 as a WW?

Matter of fact the only WW fights I recall him ever winning were agains Hughes.. and he lost one of those too.. WWs are too strong for him..

to be fair though he has only ever fought the no1 or no2 guys in the division, and while i am backing Rory as the next WW champ, he is not a top 5 WW yet. While am with you in picking Rory to win, i do understand where toxic is coming from and would love it if i am wrong.

**_RIVAL_** · 06-05-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ Syko

to be fair though he has only ever fought the no1 or no2 guys in the division, and while i am backing Rory as the next WW champ, he is not a top 5 WW yet. While am with you in picking Rory to win, i do understand where toxic is coming from and would love it if i am wrong.

1,2, and 3... I'm sick of waiting for the "motivated" B.J. Penn... even motivated he just doesnt make a legitimate threat at WW and I dont think too many knowledgable fans could seriously say he has the potential to hold the crown for any period of time at 170.

So with that logic maybe it's just me but WW fights are just the UFCs way of making money and using Penn as a novelty..

At LW he can still make a legitimate run IMO.

Iuanes · 06-05-2012, 11:24 PM

Rory Macdonald just seems to outsize BJ. Could be wrong. I don't see BJ taking Rory down. Maybe his boxing is better, but I can see Macdonald outpointing BJ with reach and Muay Thai. If he adds in some grinding wrestling to wear BJ out or take him down and G and P him (perhaps as viciously as Che Mills), its BJ who has to fight uphill.

**Roflcopter** · 06-05-2012, 11:54 PM

The whole problem with BJ fighting at 170 is it's pretty much nothing more than an indication that he's too laszy to properly train and make weight.

BJ isn't at all a WW. He just doesn't like to diet and make weight.

**Toxic** · 06-06-2012, 12:24 AM

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Good step up for rory though. this would be the perfect name to have on his resume.

You know, i use to believe that myself. Until the Fitch fight. First 2 rounds = bj out wrestled fitch BUT what made me question myself is how easily fitch got penn off his back. I remember thinking "BJ GOT HIS BACK!!! ITS OVER!!!" but no, never happened. BJ has fitch in his guard and he cant do anything. Infact, we havent seen any vintage BJ BJJ since the florian fight.

To be fair Fitch's BJJ coach is a guy who trained along side BJ for years and knows the intricate things BJ does very well.

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Originally Posted by _RIVAL_

C'mon Tox you can't be serious... isn't his record around 2-3-1 as a WW?

Matter of fact the only WW fights I recall him ever winning were agains Hughes.. and he lost one of those too.. WWs are too strong for him..

How many people at WW have been able to get an advantage over BJ when he wasn't gassed? The answer is one and he is considered #1 or 2 P4P in the world. So lets sumerize a BJ Penn who is not gassed can only be beaten at WW by one of the top 2 P4P fighters on the planet who also holds a substantial size advantage. Obviously Penn is awful. BJ's biggest problem at WW is not what he can do but simply a matter of how long he can do it. He needs to learn he has to be in better shape at 170 than he does at 155 because he shows up in about the same or slightly worse shape but is grappling with bigger stronger guys who are just physically draining him. Its not that WW's are to strong, he dropped Fitch one of the bigger WW's and a great wrestler on his head. Its a matter of Penn physically not having the stamina to compete with guys that big. If he is motivated and in shape he will stomp anyone except GSP. Call me crazy but I truly believe BJ Penn is the greatest fighter to ever compete in MMA. His record reflects his desire to challenge himself more than his true abilities as a fighter.

**_RIVAL_** · 06-06-2012, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Toxic

To be fair Fitch's BJJ coach is a guy who trained along side BJ for years and knows the intricate things BJ does very well.

How many people at WW have been able to get an advantage over BJ when he wasn't gassed? The answer is one and he is considered #1 or 2 P4P in the world. So lets sumerize a BJ Penn who is not gassed can only be beaten at WW by one of the top 2 P4P fighters on the planet who also holds a substantial size advantage. Obviously Penn is awful. BJ's biggest problem at WW is not what he can do but simply a matter of how long he can do it. He needs to learn he has to be in better shape at 170 than he does at 155 because he shows up in about the same or slightly worse shape but is grappling with bigger stronger guys who are just physically draining him. Its not that WW's are to strong, he dropped Fitch one of the bigger WW's and a great wrestler on his head. Its a matter of Penn physically not having the stamina to compete with guys that big. If he is motivated and in shape he will stomp anyone except GSP. Call me crazy but I truly believe BJ Penn is the greatest fighter to ever compete in MMA. His record reflects his desire to challenge himself more than his true abilities as a fighter.

You're just being hard headed here Toxic..

B.J. Penn has not won even a third of his WW fights. He has a horrible WW record.

He loses at WW. Period.

Those athletes at the top level of the WW division have proven time and time again that they are a weight class above him..

**MagiK11** · 06-06-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by _RIVAL_

1,2, and 3... I'm sick of waiting for the "motivated" B.J. Penn... even motivated he just doesnt make a legitimate threat at WW and I dont think too many knowledgable fans could seriously say he has the potential to hold the crown for any period of time at 170.

So with that logic maybe it's just me but WW fights are just the UFCs way of making money and using Penn as a novelty..

At LW he can still make a legitimate run IMO.

BJ and Hendo with their balls to the wall style and accepting any fight they are offered and fighting at multiple weight classes have made them my top 2 fighters of all time...but sadly, I'm an objective and rational fan, and fully agree with you.

At WW, Penn can get wins, but has never and will never hold a consistent winning streak.

I really like Rory Mcdonald's style as well, and that kid has so much potential and is a serious threat to BJ.

Great control on the ground, brutal g&p, remains calm and is a freaking stud and strong as hell for a WW. All that is a disaster for Penn, unless he doesn't get taken down and blasts Rory with some serious aggressive strikes from the start.

I will be rooting for BJ for sure, but I think Rory takes this dominantly. If it's a 5 round fight which I think it will be I believe Rory will win by a tko stoppage in the 2nd or 4th, or a Unanimous decision 49-46.

**Purgetheweak** · 06-06-2012, 01:02 AM

Booyah! Get to watch Rory put a whuppin on a legend!

**PheelGoodInc** · 06-06-2012, 01:10 AM

I like Rory more than BJ...

But what happened to the BJ who went 5 rounds with Kenflo in a pretty high paced fight? The one who brutalized Diego Sanchez? He had no cardio issues there. I would love to see that BJ versus Rory. It would be a hell of a fight.

**Rygu** · 06-06-2012, 01:29 AM

BJ Penn will fight anyone in any weight basically. This is part of why he is a legend of MMA. His record might not be great and MMA noobs might take a poke at that but anyone who knows anything knows he hasnt exactly fought many cans in his UFC career.

I am a big fan of Rory, but I love BJ and am hoping he wins this.

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