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Old 06-06-2012, 02:30 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Why can't it just be as Rory stated? Maybe he really does just want to fight a guy he grew up watching before that guy shuts 'er down.

And he didn't call anyone out. He simply said he'd like to fight BJ- nothing wrong with that.
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Yeah thats pretty much calling him out.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:40 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Already posted, but as many have said it's an exciting match up, but quite possibily a losing one for our fan favorite; BJ Penn.

Rory is not content in throwing elbows on the ground he's going to look to finish. He's young and borderline/reckless but for the most part controlled. I don't think BJ can hurt em, and he's (Rory) pretty strong so BJ's jiu jitsu game won't really come into play unless he lands a good shot and somehow takes his back. Otherwise I see Rory standing in the pocket hunting BJ down forcing him to engage which will tire him out.

Rory is the "Canadian Psycho" in my mind. He just seems like one of those kids who was never social, quiet, and introspective. All that gets exploited when he gets locked in a cage. I like BJ, but this will probably be a losing battle with Rory pushing a relentless pace even more so than with Nick Diaz.

I'd rather see see BJ face The Korean Zombie at FW and Rory vs Josh Koschek.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:13 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Very very wishful thinking. BJ will never be at 145, he doesn't even want to cut to 155.
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Well I've already convinced myself that BJ will come to the fight motivated and ready to fight 3 rounds, then smash Rory and lick his blood off of his gloves.

Why do I do this to myself? I'm just going to end up hurt again.


More seriously though, BJ does have a pretty big advantage in every aspect except for cardio and size, including a massive advantage in grappling. I'm not saying.... I'm just saying.
Pretty much what I was thinking. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Penn beat Macdonald if he shows up motivated. A motivated BJ Penn is a step up in competition from a welterweight version of Nate Diaz and Mike Pyle.

On the other hand, BJ Penn will probably show up the way he always does at welterweight, unmotivated and undersized. I'd say he has about a round to beat Macdonald before Macdonald takes over with his superior strength and cardio.

Why is fighting bigger guys so much more appealing to Penn than fighting guys his own size?
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Why is fighting bigger guys so much more appealing to Penn than fighting guys his own size?
Because then you don't have to cut weight (which is hard) and you have a built in excuse when you lose.

Of course Penn doesn't actually do that well against smaller guys anyway (1-3 record vs 145er's in Pulver x2, Edgar x2, could throw Uno in there if you wanted to I suppose which would make BJ 2-3-1 against FW's).
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It is exactly what he said.

"I want to fight BJ before he leaves the sport"

So basically he wants to fight and beat BJ Penn at his lowest stages in his career. To get him on his record before Penn calls it quits.

It is exactly what he said. It is plain and simple. Some people may not give a shit. But I just get annoyed when young fighters call out old deteriorating fighters of the golden era.

It is just my opinion....but it is a coward move. Or it is at least the easy way to get known. If you want to be the best and test yourself...ask to fight legit guys who are winning. Not just a guy with a name.

It is clear as day as to what he is trying to do here. Would he be calling out Penn if he were the animal he was back in the day? My guess would be no.

Just like how Schaub beat CC and everyone was calling him the legend killer because they figured he'd beat Nog also. Thankfully Nog kicked his ass. But all him and the UFC were trying to do is build him up off of names that are no longer close to the top of their game.
I disagree, and I am a huge BJ Penn fan. The way I saw Macdonald's comment was that he wanted to fight a lendgend in the sport, and felt it was out of respect. I don't think he see's BJ as a fighter who is off his game. Penn isn't that old, and if he has a good camp, he can still be a serious threat to anyone.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:22 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I disagree, and I am a huge BJ Penn fan. The way I saw Macdonald's comment was that he wanted to fight a lendgend in the sport, and felt it was out of respect. I don't think he see's BJ as a fighter who is off his game. Penn isn't that old, and if he has a good camp, he can still be a serious threat to anyone.
It wasn't too disrespectful, but there is no doubt it is win-win for Rory. If he beats BJ, its a big win against a big name.

If he loses, it is a setback, but a small one. Penn is so madly overrated at WW that the UFC and most fans wouldn't make much of a loss to him. MacDonald is young enough it would only be a minor blip in his career. The benefits of winning definitely outweigh the potential negatives of losing. Combine that with the fact BJ is clearly in decline and MacDonald has a very good chance of winning, and it's easy to see why this is such an attractive fight for him. Big win, big payday, low risk, worst case scenario not that bad. $$$$$
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Because then you don't have to cut weight (which is hard) and you have a built in excuse when you lose.

Of course Penn doesn't actually do that well against smaller guys anyway (1-3 record vs 145er's in Pulver x2, Edgar x2, could throw Uno in there if you wanted to I suppose which would make BJ 2-3-1 against FW's).
Stop calling them FW's. They're not. As shown by the fact they fought at 155.
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Because then you don't have to cut weight (which is hard) and you have a built in excuse when you lose.

Of course Penn doesn't actually do that well against smaller guys anyway (1-3 record vs 145er's in Pulver x2, Edgar x2, could throw Uno in there if you wanted to I suppose which would make BJ 2-3-1 against FW's).
1st off are you really gonna use 9,10 even 11 year old fights to make an argument? Rory probably hadn't hit puberty the first time BJ fought Uno. 2nd BJ is the same size as the three you mentioned and was actually probably lighter than Pulver at the time of the first fight since BJ was walking around at about 145 pounds at that time and could have easily fought at BW if the division had existed.
BJ doesn't want an excuse he has said he hate cutting weight and feels better at WW and the guy wants a challenge. I said it before the effect of his opponents strength on his cardio has been an issue but the actual strength itself has not really presented any kind of problem for him.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:59 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I disagree, and I am a huge BJ Penn fan. The way I saw Macdonald's comment was that he wanted to fight a lendgend in the sport, and felt it was out of respect. I don't think he see's BJ as a fighter who is off his game. Penn isn't that old, and if he has a good camp, he can still be a serious threat to anyone.
Guys can comment in any way they want. And perhaps he wants to fight a legend. But it doesn't erase the fact that he also probably see an easy opportunity to get a big name on his record by beating a past prime legend.

Like I said before. BJ Penn was a legend long ago. Would he ask to fight BJ if he was still an absolute beast like he was 5 years ago? I doubt it.
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