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Old 06-07-2012, 08:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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This is where you're wrong, sorry buddy.

It doesn't matter who has the most cajones.
Dollar signs and numbers are all that matter.
Like I said, it's a business, not a fight club.
Absolutely not.

When the Fertitta's bought the UFC and named Dana White the president do you think they sat around and dreamt about title holders sitting on belts for extended periods of times so they could get bigger pay days?

I understand that these guys fight for a living, but with the primal nature of fighting comes a sense of pride. Some people are more adamant about upholding their pride and dignity than others. Some people are more adamant about getting payed.

Dollars signs and numbers are the least important thing in this world. Sure it can buy you a bunch of shit you don't need, but it can never buy respect.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:20 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Absolutely not.

When the Fertitta's bought the UFC and named Dana White the president do you think they sat around and dreamt about title holders sitting on belts for extended periods of times so they could get bigger pay days?

I understand that these guys fight for a living, but with the primal nature of fighting comes a sense of pride. Some people are more adamant about upholding their pride and dignity than others. Some people are more adamant about getting payed.

Dollars signs and numbers are the least important thing in this world. Sure it can buy you a bunch of shit you don't need, but it can never buy respect.
I never said I liked the idea of Condit sitting out. I don't. The whole purpose of having an interim champion is to take the place of the champion during his abscence. What's the point of having another belt if it's not going to be defended? I said the same thing about Carwin's "interim" championship reign. It just makes the division a shitstorm with little to no organization and a hell of a lot of confusion. I said it makes sense on his part, and I would do the same thing if I was given the opportunity.

Everything else you said I absolutely disagree with.

I mentioned this earlier, and sadly it hasn't quite reached this point, but the UFC needs to seperate itself from anything primal because it's a sport, not a fight club. That's why I'm glad that these "true fighters" are being slowly phased out or made irrelevant. It makes more room for the athletes of MMA like GSP, Evans, Fitch, etc.

The UFC doesn't run on pride and respect it runs on revenue. That's what keeps the UFC running, that's what pays the athletes, that's why these athletes should step into the cage and display their skills. Not any of that macho, testosterone fueled bullshit that should be eradicated from this sport.

As for your last statement...Money buys you food, water, shelter, and just about everything you need to survive on the planet. **** respect. All that matters is survival, and if you have money in today's world, you have the power to survive. Then again we're getting into worldview-discussion which is all relative. You certainly have the right to your opinion but for you to say money is just something that is used to buy "shit you don't need" is a little ridiculous, sorry.

The world runs on money.
Not respect, not pride, not honor.
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Actually the world runs on work, intelligence, trust, + a pinch of luck here & there; money really isn't needed. It's a substitute tho.
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Actually the world runs on work, intelligence, trust, + a pinch of luck here & there; money really isn't needed. It's a substitute tho.
You are right that money isn't really needed but the world definitely runs on money as we speak.
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He is on a lucky streak because both the Pierce and Koscheck fight were extremely close and could have gone either way and he got a flash KO on Fitch. If he had to fight those three guys in a row again he wouldn't go 3-0.
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Kampmann earned his stripes more than Condit at this point.

This match up makes sense.
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Old 06-08-2012, 08:39 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I never said I liked the idea of Condit sitting out. I don't. The whole purpose of having an interim champion is to take the place of the champion during his abscence. What's the point of having another belt if it's not going to be defended? I said the same thing about Carwin's "interim" championship reign. It just makes the division a shitstorm with little to no organization and a hell of a lot of confusion. I said it makes sense on his part, and I would do the same thing if I was given the opportunity.

Everything else you said I absolutely disagree with.

I mentioned this earlier, and sadly it hasn't quite reached this point, but the UFC needs to seperate itself from anything primal because it's a sport, not a fight club. That's why I'm glad that these "true fighters" are being slowly phased out or made irrelevant. It makes more room for the athletes of MMA like GSP, Evans, Fitch, etc.

The UFC doesn't run on pride and respect it runs on revenue. That's what keeps the UFC running, that's what pays the athletes, that's why these athletes should step into the cage and display their skills. Not any of that macho, testosterone fueled bullshit that should be eradicated from this sport.

As for your last statement...Money buys you food, water, shelter, and just about everything you need to survive on the planet. **** respect. All that matters is survival, and if you have money in today's world, you have the power to survive. Then again we're getting into worldview-discussion which is all relative. You certainly have the right to your opinion but for you to say money is just something that is used to buy "shit you don't need" is a little ridiculous, sorry.

The world runs on money.
Not respect, not pride, not honor.
As much as you want it to be a sport and no matter how the UFC dresses it up on FOX with robots and silly expert analyst panels, it will always be two men doing everything in their power to destroy one another. That, in it's very essence is what fighting is. Sure they might shake hands at the end and show some camaraderie, but at the end of the day these guys are doing something that is primal. The only difference is they train to perfect technique, but that doesn't change the end goal of the fight.

Getting knocked the hell out is a whole lot different from getting fouled making a layup or crosschecked while in the crease.

You can say it's a sport because of how it's presented, but at it's very core the product we see is fighting.



Now to continue our discussion that is way off topic...



The world didn't used to run on money. When they started printing money that has no real value (because banks don't actually have the physical money that is on record nor is it paralleled by any commodity) and lending it to us at a rate of interest that we, as society, can never pay back, is when the world began to 'run' on money. Money used to actually be worth something relative to commodities like gold and silver. Nixon changed that and now we have the most ingenious enslavement of the human race in today's capitalistic bullshit society. I envy the people that live off the land to survive and have the necessary skills to do so (and there is plenty of them)and don't have to be part of the rat race. Money is only essential for the 'American Dream' which has now ravenously evolved into 'how can I outdo my neighbor?'. Food shelter and water can all be provided by mother nature. That is where I was going with that.

Back to the UFC...

So when I turn on the idiot box and see that a so called fighter is holding out to fight some other guy in the distant future for a bunch of worthless pieces of paper, it pisses me off as it does you, I can see. At some point greed and trying to protect one's own well being is what is getting blurred here in my opinion. How many 'dollars and numbers' does one really need? I'd personally rather get paid and uphold my pride/dignity. If Carlos thinks he is doing that, then good for him, but I for one do not think he is doing a good balancing act.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:01 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I understand why Condit wants to wait, but the UFC should not have allowed it.

There was ample time for Condit to defend his title against Hendricks. The winner gets the payday vs George.
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