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post #91 of 96 (permalink) Old 06-11-2012, 05:27 PM
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post #92 of 96 (permalink) Old 06-11-2012, 09:33 PM
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LOL thread...
Had me smilling for 5 minutes.

Annyway, to add my contribution to this: i see this very simple: if Shogun turned down the Teixeira fight, because Teixeira doesn't hold much name value...he should have definitely turned down Brandon Vera, for the same reason.

As far as i'm concerned Vera is/should be ranked lower than Teixeira...or at pretty much the same position.

It's extremely hard to make a case for Vera being a TOP 20 LHW...TOP 15 is taking it into imagination land.

Teixeira's story sound a bit like Lombard's, but he doesn't have the same name recognition, because he hasn't fought in the US.

Lombard - 5 years/23 fight unbeaten run.
Teixeira * 6 years/17 fight unbeaten run.

Both of them have fought guys who are considered lower ranked...or even cans by some.

The difference is Lombard has fought in the US a lot, while Teixeira hasn't, therefore he is more recognised by the average MMA fan.
And the average fan is the one the UFC is hinting at right now.

To end this, i just feel Shogun is ducking Teixeira. And i also believe he lost some fans or some respect because of this.

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post #93 of 96 (permalink) Old 06-12-2012, 05:17 AM
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LOL thread...
Had me smilling for 5 minutes.

Annyway, to add my contribution to this: i see this very simple: if Shogun turned down the Teixeira fight, because Teixeira doesn't hold much name value...he should have definitely turned down Brandon Vera, for the same reason.

As far as i'm concerned Vera is/should be ranked lower than Teixeira...or at pretty much the same position.

It's extremely hard to make a case for Vera being a TOP 20 LHW...TOP 15 is taking it into imagination land.

Teixeira's story sound a bit like Lombard's, but he doesn't have the same name recognition, because he hasn't fought in the US.

Lombard - 5 years/23 fight unbeaten run.
Teixeira * 6 years/17 fight unbeaten run.

Both of them have fought guys who are considered lower ranked...or even cans by some.

The difference is Lombard has fought in the US a lot, while Teixeira hasn't, therefore he is more recognised by the average MMA fan.
And the average fan is the one the UFC is hinting at right now.

To end this, i just feel Shogun is ducking Teixeira. And i also believe he lost some fans or some respect because of this.
Not only that, but his previous scheduled fight was against Thiago Silva. A dude who's recent record is 1-4 and most likely ranked below Tex on many websites. A fight Rua seemed more then happy with.
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Just got done reading this thread and I have to say that Roflcopters posts in here are genuinely some of the worst, most disrespectful, ludicrous posts I have ever seen.

How can you have the audacity to call one of the greatest LHW's of all time a fraud. Show some respect for crying out loud.
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post #95 of 96 (permalink) Old 06-24-2012, 10:28 AM
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LOL thread...
Had me smilling for 5 minutes.

Annyway, to add my contribution to this: i see this very simple: if Shogun turned down the Teixeira fight, because Teixeira doesn't hold much name value...he should have definitely turned down Brandon Vera, for the same reason.

As far as i'm concerned Vera is/should be ranked lower than Teixeira...or at pretty much the same position.

It's extremely hard to make a case for Vera being a TOP 20 LHW...TOP 15 is taking it into imagination land.

Teixeira's story sound a bit like Lombard's, but he doesn't have the same name recognition, because he hasn't fought in the US.

Lombard - 5 years/23 fight unbeaten run.
Teixeira * 6 years/17 fight unbeaten run.

Both of them have fought guys who are considered lower ranked...or even cans by some.

The difference is Lombard has fought in the US a lot, while Teixeira hasn't, therefore he is more recognised by the average MMA fan.
And the average fan is the one the UFC is hinting at right now.

To end this, i just feel Shogun is ducking Teixeira. And i also believe he lost some fans or some respect because of this.
The important thing to keep in mind is that Lombard if fighting in front of audiences of 200k people. There isn't a single person that watches these fights that is going to start watching just because they saw Lombard on MTV2.


Not even a 10th of the usual FOX audience has watched Lombard fight before...it's ridiculous to say that Lombard deserves a ME against Stann after ZERO fights in the UFC than Glover stepping in to fight Fraudgun after wasting a guy in 3 minutes.


ANd to top it all off..recently on Sherdog, Fradgun basically admitted to ducking Glover because a win "did nothing for his career"....which is asinine because it assumes that he's going to be first in line for a title shot for being a guy who LITERALLY GOT ******* CUT A FIGHT AGO...and was only brought back to nearly get KO"d by literal Elliot Marshall because of a bad urine test.


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Exactly. Dana has marketed his new addition to LHW expertly. Spoke of his name in the same sentence as Shogun's just after an impressive win, now every fighter in the division is apparently browning their undies over a 32 year old newcomer.

Glover can potentially make waves in the division but how many of you knew this before last week? Marketing at its finest, shame that in the same breath he managed to make one of his top fighters look bad.

And I hate how everyone downplays or just totally ignores Shogun's win over Griffin. Forrest was on a two fight win streak going into that fight and many picked him to win.
People who actually watch MMA.

I was excited as hell when he finally got his green card. I originally thought he was going to Bellator and absolutely WIPE THE FLOOR with everyone in that horrible division....but I was even more excited when he signed with the UFC.

Hell even Rogan after he wasted Kingsbury said he'd be following the guy for a while and was hyping him up as a contender.



Also lmfao at this. He literally won a split decision over Tito and beat a washed up Rich Franklin moving up in weight.

He was at least a 2 to 1 dog and for good reason.

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I knew who Teixeira was. I've been wanting the UFC to sign him for a long time. Even I was almost offended that a few sites were picking Kingsbury to beat him. Those were some very laughable polls. It was obviously a gimme fight for him.

Teixeira has had rough times with his green card issues, and really should have been a name already to all fans. The UFC has wanted him for a while. Even back in 2006, he should have been a name. People were so infatuated with Sokoudjou, and even had signatures on forums hyping him up like he was the next #1 p4p fighter.

All of his hype coming from him demolishing Lil Nog and Arona, yet people failed to notice that only one fight before those fights, Sokoudjou got demolished himself against Teixeira. Sokoudjous win over Nog came only 4 months after his loss to Teixeira, but Teixeira got no props for his win over this (at the time) new top prospect once Sokoudjou bursted on the screen. Even Liddell mentioned it when asked about Sokoudjou. He implied that he didn't follow the hype because shortly before his run, his team mate Glover put a beat down on him. He knew Sokoudjou had some flaws in his game.

I know that was a long time ago, and Liddell turned out to be right about Sokoudjou, and now we know it wasn't exactly a big win for Glover, but at the time it should have been, and it was just weird that people ignored Sokoudjous record and the hardcore fans looked passed the guy who beat him just as easily as he beat some top contenders, and you can't give me the argument that Sokoudjou "could have improved tremendously in .... 4 months."

My rant is over, I think I had that bottled down for 6 years, haha. Anyways, Teixiera has had bad luck in terms of getting potential name recognition. I see him getting that soon. He may even gain some right now because of this whole situation regarding him and Shogun. Any publicity is good publicity popularity wise.

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