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Old 06-09-2012, 08:23 AM   #11 (permalink)
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It's hard for me to come to any other conclusion than that he thinks he will win one fight and lose the other.

what ever is really going on, he couldn't have done much more to boost the other guy's career without actually losing to him.

I can't wait to see Tex fight again.

and I hope Shogun gets shown the truth. If ever there was a fighter with a golden opportunity to return from the dead and and remake their career, it is Brandon Vera
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Had he said no to the Vera fight, he would have been cut.

Shogun said he'd rather be cut in the hope he'd get a better opponent, Dana didn't like it so he played hardball. Offering him Vera was basically saying 'We're not giving you a top guy, accept the fight or you're gone'.

Shame that someone like Shogun who you know will war with anyone is being forced into big risk no reward fights. Its his fault for laying down the gauntlet and saying he'd rather be cut, but at the end of the day he's top five and Glover is probably between 20 and 15. And there's top 10 guys sat around with no fights.

Dana knows Rua better than any of us and speaks of him very highly, nice way to ruin a fighter's image...
Firstly, that is complete speculation. Dana never said anything about cutting Rua until Rua brought it up and said he'd rather be cut than fight Glover. They could have offered him another opponenet after Vera if he declined. You have no idea!

Secondly, Dana already told us what happened. You don't need to put your spin on it to try and defend Shogun.

He turned down Glover citing his reason as being that he is not top 10 and then they offer him Vera who is not top 10 either and he took the fight in two seconds. Same set of principles in the same situation. Smells like a double standard to me.

He wasn't worried about getting cut. He threw his cards on the table and said cut me if you want me to fight Glover because I won't do it.

He's not trying to hold out for better opponents; he's trying to hold out for opponents he thinks he can beat.

The situation wouldn't even bother, me as a fan, if he had turned down Vera and accepted Glover because I think Glover is the much harder, more dangerous and exciting fight.

It's clear cut that in this situation he was trying to avoid Glover because he is so dangerous and relatively unknown. Yes it's high risk with little reward, but that doesn't change the fact that Shogun was bullshitting on the phone with his "he's not a top 10 guy" reason.
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:40 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Glover is a sloppy chin-up brawler, he would have been blitzed by Shogun. But hes also unranked and a nobody.
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Glover Teixeria has now become the Antonio Margarito of MMA.

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Glover is a sloppy chin-up brawler, he would have been blitzed by Shogun. But hes also unranked and a nobody.
Yes, but the guy who throws nothing but overhands and got nearly sent to the morgue by one hand Dan has such awesome technique.

Glover would've stopped him within 2. He didn't want to fight Glover because Glover has arguably the best boxing in the division. That's all. He's a coward.

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Old 06-09-2012, 09:14 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Shogun wet his pants when Dana wanted him to fight Glover. He then goes and takes a easier fight with Vera, who is just as far down the rankings as Glover.

All of a sudden, I'm pulling for Vera to pull off a huge upset.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:16 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Dana got his panties in a twist because Shogun had the balls to say he deserves better than Glover. Doesn't matter how good you think Glover is or will be, he is nowhere near Shogun right now.

Of course, Vera isn't either... but why is Dana throwing these low guys at Shogun? I wouldn't be so quick to believe the whole 'He accepted in two seconds' thing, I'm quite sure there would have been more negotiation.

But of course a guy whose record is almost purely top ten opponents at the time of the bouts, who is known to enter fights when he probably shouldn't for whatever reason, yet has 20 wins to 6 losses, is ducking a fighter most of you had not heard of until two weeks ago.

Get a clue guys, he pissed Dana off so Dana has given him a bit of bad press. Dana isn't saying 'I offered him Gustafsson or Rashad and he said no'. He's saying 'I offered him Glover, he said no so I gave him Vera'.

GLOVER TEIXEIRA AND BRANDON VERA TO THE TOP 4 LHW IN THE WORLD. He's lucky Shogun didn't stick to his word and just walk, Shogun's earnings for this fight will be interesting to see, he'll be getting quite a bit more than Vera.
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I hate Shogun and always will, but I sure hope no one believes this, I have a very hard time believing a guy who fought Machida twice, Liddell, Rampage, Overeem twice, Arona, Rogerio, Forrest twice, Hendo, Coleman twice, Randleman, and Jon Jones would "rather be cut" than fight a guy whose best win is Kyle Kingsbury.

I just don't see it, personal feelings aside, Shogun has balls of steel and I highly doubt he said that and if he did then I guess there's just something I'm missing about Glover.
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I hate Shogun and always will, but I sure hope no one believes this, I have a very hard time believing a guy who fought Machida twice, Liddell, Rampage, Overeem twice, Arona, Rogerio, Forrest twice, Hendo, Coleman twice, Randleman, and Jon Jones would "rather be cut" than fight a guy whose best win is Kyle Kingsbury.

I just don't see it, personal feelings aside, Shogun has balls of steel and I highly doubt he said that and if he did then I guess there's just something I'm missing about Glover.
Exactly, he just chose the wrong way to say no and is being punished for it, and now Dana is making one of his most entertaining fighters look bad.

I think there is a lot of hot air in this situation, Dana has said his bit so how about we wait to hear what Rua's story is, from the man himself...

Truly is comical that people think Shogun avoids fights.
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Yes, but the guy who throws nothing but overhands and got nearly sent to the morgue by one hand Dan has such awesome technique.

Glover would've stopped him within 2. He didn't want to fight Glover because Glover has arguably the best boxing in the division. That's all. He's a coward.
If Glover is as good as you're pumping him up to be why are you pushing for him to fight an 'overated coward' like Shogun? Shouldn't he be fighting other dangerous beast like himself? Could it be that you want glover to pad his record with a win over a big name but don't want Shogun to do the same? Sounds a bit like hypocrisy.

Bottomline is Shogun has been around long enough and shouldn't be forced to take on irrelevant no name fights if he chooses not to. Dana also should show a bit more class and quit spreading shoguns business to the world. That's why no one likes his ass.
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Yep. Because, you know, Dana has never made false, exaggerated, or out-of-context statements in the past. His word is the gospel don't you know.

Two sides to every story. Shogun has never been one to dodge fighters in the past. He took a fight with a dangerous young contender named Jon Jones, who up until that point hadn't truly beaten anyone towards the top of the division. But because Dana, the salt of the earth and consummate truth teller, issues this statement, I'm to believe Rua is running scared? You lot feel free to get your panties in a bind. I'll wait on a statement from the fighter himself.
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