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Tito Ortiz: I'd beat Jon Jones in my prime

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#1 ·
Source: ESPN.CO.UK

Tito Ortiz has made the bold claim that he would beat Jon Jones if the pair both fought in their primes.

Ortiz, who will soon be inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame, has registered more successful light-heavyweight title defences than any fighter in UFC history.

However, that record is being challenged by reigning champion Jones, who has already seen off the challenges of Rampage Jackson, Lyoto Machida and Rashad Evans. Three more wins would see him usurp Ortiz.

The Huntington Beach Bad Boy Ortiz is set to bow out of the UFC when he fights Forrest Griffin at UFC 148, where he looks for only his second win in nine fights. However, the 37-year-old claims the best version of himself would have taken Jones.

"[You need] pressure. Don't let him use that reach, try to close down the space with tons of pressure," Ortiz told Fighters Only.

"Use my strength, use my wrestling. An injury-free Tito Ortiz is very, very dangerous, and Ryan Bader was the last guy who got a close up of that one. When I'm injury-free, I'm very dangerous.

"If I was the same guy, but without the surgeries, then I'd still be the champion. When I look back at my loss to [Randy] Couture, that's when I had my first back problem. I was suffering right through that fight camp, and I suffered for seven years with that back problem."
I'm assuming there's nobody who believes that a prime Tito Ortiz could beat Jon Jones, much less have remained the LHW champ until now...is there?
 
#6 ·
He beat Wanderlei when he was younger. Tito was a beast back in the day.

Tito was good back in his day, but Jones is the greatest Light Heavyweight of all time and what he's done to Shogun, Rampage, Machida, and Rashad, the four guys that were the top Light Heavyweights in the world just two years ago is amazing.
 
#4 · (Edited)
um honestly idk...titos nemesis was chuck. a young tito with crappy stand up and relentless gnp might be a handful for jones. anyhow, this evolution bs is kind of played out. idk about this specific match up, but i remember when tito was the ufc, and a fresh tito would have smashed a lot of ppl.

Height 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)

Reach 74.0 in (188 cm)

very good submission wrestler, solid chin, very hard to sub...

his best wins are ken, vitor and forrest, (i dont take bader seriously at this point) so il say no. but tito was legit and ppl shouldnt really be here, if they dont realise there might not have been a "here" if it wasnt for tito.
 
#8 · (Edited)
ok sharon...


He beat Wanderlei when he was younger. Tito was a beast back in the day.

Tito was good back in his day, but Jones is the greatest Light Heavyweight of all time and what he's done to Shogun, Rampage, Machida, and Rashad, the four guys that were the top Light Heavyweights in the world just two years ago is amazing.

some guys are a puzzle waiting to solved. others are just timelessly legit. whether jones is one or the other remains to be seen. in some ways its easier to beat 4 greats in 2 years than 2 greats in four.
 
#16 ·
Doesn't make it any less irritating, Soakked. We are talking about professional fighters not a beauty competition. Male or female makes no difference.

As for Tito beating Jon Jones in his prime. Not a chance. Jones would outwrestle Tito in a heartbeat. That would beat the excuse machine that is Ortiz. Bones could keep it standing or take him down. Either way he loses.

But we would get to hear another Tito excuse. I'd put money on a fractured rectum.
 
#19 ·
Yeah I tire of Tito exaggerating his ability and the affect of his injuries. Don't get me wrong I am sure his injuries has had a large part in his decline, but JBJ isn't someone he would bully. Besides he acts like his injuries were kriptomite and he's superman without them which is quite funny. This is coming from a Tito fan.

pretty sure if the gay contingent were posting on hard bottoms and great lips for... youd see the point. its irrelavent spam. oh and hes a shit wrestler too...
In my first sentence I said I saw the point. What I was saying is that if female mma was more popular guys would be commenting left and right on the fighters looks. Cyborg/Gina anyone? But that's ok. Just looking for consistency, and I wasn't knocking the OP in anyway, just trying to make that point.

But lets not derail the thread.
 
#21 ·
i think he couldve had a shot like he said someone needs to really pressure jones and with that reach its hard to get inside so if someone goes in with that gameplan and ready to take a little punishment to dish it out then who knows wouldve been a good fight for sure though
 
#23 ·
Except that Tito has never liked taking a hit and has always been hesitant against someone who can hurt him with strikes. Jones might not be able to ko him like Chuck but he could hurt him. Especially with the body shots he likes to throw. The same kinds of shots that have dropped Tito multiple times over his career. The giant head sucks too much strength away from his core for it to be able to take a hard hit.
 
#27 ·
Yeah, Tito couldn't get past Frank Shamrock, Randy Couture, or Chuck Liddell in his "prime". To say Tito could have put Jones on his back and ground and pound him is crazy. Tito made his legacy beating middleweights I dare say 60-70% of the large light heavyweights, the guys that drop down from heavyweight would have beaten Tito Ortiz.
 
#39 ·
Honestly, its amazing how you guys write off a prime Tito Ortiz. His problem was Liddell and he had the best KO power in the UFC at the time, he lost to Couture who is an amazing greco roman wrestler.

I'm a big JBJ fan and will continue to support him, but I can see how Tito can pose a threat to JBJ. Right now, it doesn't seem like JBJ has that one hit finishing power, I'm sure his punches hurt but they dont have that KO power.

I could see a prime Tito pushing JBJ up against the cage and taking him down, wearing him out, but would he win? who knows. I'm not just going to write him off though, it would be a very interesting fight. Also depends on how aggressive he is, he sits back for too long? he gets eaten up by JBJs legs. Tito can't take a beating, he wilts under it. This is why I don't like talking about past champs vs present, too many variables on how a fighter can win and how.

The last hope of someone defeating JBJ was Rashad, but he came in with a horrible gameplan, or just didn't use it effectively. He played JBJs game, staying on the outside, not attempting enough takedowns to keep him guessing. And Henderson will even be easier of a fight for JBJ. Yes I know about the H-BOMB, but he is as one dimension now as they come. JBJ will have no problem staying on the outside and picking him apart. The Hendo who fought Shogun in that amazing match? he gets destroyed by JBJ.
 
#42 ·
Nah... his other troll threads were a lot more entertaining. Here he is just gently asking for the hangman to put the noose around his neck. In the others he brought the rope, the stage, slipped the noose himself and then screamed for a mod to drop the trapdoor after the crowd gathered. Even put in a nice spasmodic jerk or two and a post strangulation bowel release.

It was quite a professional trolling job.
 
#43 ·
I think it is just a matter of perspective. In Tito's prime, Jon Jones would have been around 13 years old. I'm not saying it still wouldn't be a hell of a fight but Tito might be able to pull out the win if he stuck to his game plan and came in injury free.
 
#49 ·
“ I think he's a guy who pound-for-pound -- at the time we were hurting -- tried to do more damage to [the UFC] than anyone in the history of this company. ”

-- UFC president Dana White, on Tito Ortiz in an interview with MMAWeekly
Many come from the line of thinking that the UFC owes Tito Ortiz, I think Tito owes the UFC. He made a lot of money fighter lesser fighters and then he made more money losing to better men. What I would have given to see Tito face Nog, CC, or Fedor in a ring under pride rules during those open weight years.
 
#59 ·
man i'm sooo jelly of tito ortiz
oh wait, no I'm not



there is nothing about her that I find attractive, except for that she is super rich, so given the opportunity I'd consider gold digging her through a marriage and filing for divorce immediately to take half

she is an ugly slag, comes from a trailer trash family and she's been a whore for way longer than half her life and addicted to drugs for years. Most of her body is fake and plastic, and its really starting to show, she is going to end up looking like Donatella Versace in a few years. the amount of emotional baggage a woman like that carries is way more than I would ever care to deal with or even hear about.

I pity Tito Ortiz because while losers may be salivating over her and feeling envy I think that its the most pathetic, narcissistic marriage I've ever seen
 
#63 ·
This thread escalated pretty quickly.

Anyways, I can't see a "prime Tito" beating Jones in any aspect. I appreciate that Tito went on a tear back in the day but even back when he was destroying lesser men none of them could offer what Jones offers. Jones would destroy Tito now and then.

Also I'm not even sure what the argument about Jenna is about. Are you guys arguing whether or not she is attractive, porn stars are disgusting or what? Even the porn argument kinda got derailed I think.
 
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