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Old 06-22-2012, 10:59 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I agree with you, when it comes to fans the UFC and MMA as a whole definitely cares more about the fans. But when it comes to money, when will MMA or the UFC ever surpass pro boxing? If ever? and I somewhat disagree with you on the old fossils and ESPN being anti-mma..They do talk about MMA and even have Jon Jones in their intro for Sportscenter mon-fri at 5am (i watch it when i get up for work)..
Outside of Jim Rome and their dedicated 30 min weekly show ESPN hardly notices MMA exist, and when they do it is to make comments like this.

That being said for me Boxing died the minute I really got into MMA, for me that was Silva VS Lebon.

And while I am loath to agree with TLL, yes we want to see GSP VS Silva, but they are two different weight classes separated by 15 pounds. Where as Pac Man and Mayweather are in the same class, , and the thing is the payday for that fight would be huge, but after two years, screw it i lost interest in that fight.
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:07 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Okay before you judge me for posting "another" UFC vs. Boxing thread...read what I have to say.

I am a VERY avid sports fan, I like almost every main stream sport, football (american), baseball, hockey, basketball, boxing, mixed martial arts, soccer, golf, even some tennis.

After the Pacquiao/Bradley fight, a broadcaster on ESPN's Sportsrise made a statement that kind of got me wondering.

If I could find the video I would post it but he said "Boxing on its worst day is still better than MMA on its best"

With that said, do you believe that is true? And if you believe its true right now, do you ever think we will see a day where MMA becomes better than boxing?

Leave out the biased opinions, I am not just talking about fans. I am talking about promotional aspects, fans, fighters, and more importantly money. Will the UFC ever pay as much or more than pro boxing?
How are we supposed to leave out opinions on an statement that was entirely opinion though? I could say "MMA on it's worst day is still better than boxing on it's best" and it holds just as much validity than the statement from the reporter. I feel like that holds true, too, but is that biased opinion? Hell yes it is. I hate boxing. I love MMA. Any opinion I have on the subject is going to be heavily biased because that's what the core of an opinion is, bias.

Now if we want to investigate the factual parts of that opinion and find out if it's true the answer is an easy "That reporter is a moron." Pacquiao's last fight was a great example of a dark, dark day in boxing. That was very obviously fixed in some form or another. If you want to call it corruption instead of fixing, fine, but I hold both things to be one in the same. I couldn't even point out MMA's best day ever, but I can compare that to something that was a fantastic fight since we aren't comparing entire events. Any of Frankie Edgar's fights with BJ and Grey were all instant classics and far better than anything I could ever get from boxing. Fitch vs BJ was better due to the massive swing of that fight. Condit/Diaz was an amazing, technical battle. Anderson/Chael was possibly the best fight I've ever seen in my MMA watching career. All better than anything I've seen in boxing (that's an opinion) and I am fully willing to bet that if we were to hold a world wide poll of people who had no bias toward either sport, the vast majority would say that any of those fights were better than Pac/Bradley. While a consensus opinion doesn't make it fact, it does make it a far more valid opinion.
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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As DW and Lorenzo have said in the past, you can have both Boxing and MMA. It isn't that only one can live, this isn't the highlander or combat sports or anything.

The real problem is the elitism of the fans. They want to believe THEY are more knowledgeable about combat that the OTHER guys are.

Does any of it really matter? Boxing is just as skilled as MT, which is just as skilled as Judo, which is just as skilled as Sambo, which is just as skilled as Wrestling, and so on. MMA is a jumble of those. The best comparison I can make is that in each pure sport these guys are working on very minor and minute details where as MMA it is better to be a jack of all trades as very few specialists make it to the high end.

The current real problem with Boxing isn't the sport but the organizations that are trying to run it. They are corrupt organizations that like to pad records to hype up a fight rather than show the true talent of a fighter.
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Silva/GSP is probably the biggest fight that could be made in MMA but it's more fantasy than reality. They both fight in separate divisions where Pacquiao and Mayweather do fight in the same division. Plus it's not like the sport of MMA is dependent on that one fight like Boxing is with there's, there's plenty of other big superfights from MMA people wanna see, in Boxing, not so much. That fight got talked about a lot but mostly when GSP and Anderson had their divisions cleared out now GSP has Condit, Kampmann, Hendricks, and maybe Diaz and Anderson has Sonnen, Munoz, Weidman, Shields, Boestch, and Lombard.
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You are aware that those two guys fight in two different weight classes¿ If they were in the same weight class they would have already fought a long time ago. The fight between those two is in not at all comparable to Pacquiao vs. Mayweather who just don't get their negociation right.
I don't really follow boxing at all. I just thought that if a point was to be made against boxing for not making the fight that everyone wants to see, then some comparison would need to be made to the biggest fight everyone wants to see in the UFC also. It's probably not a fair comparison that I made, and I apologise if that's the case, but it's difficult to directly compare boxing with the UFC, given all the different weight classes and organisations.


From my ignorant perspective, I think the reasons holding back both fights from happening are similar and not really related to weight divisions.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:52 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I don't really follow boxing at all. I just thought that if a point was to be made against boxing for not making the fight that everyone wants to see, then some comparison would need to be made to the biggest fight everyone wants to see in the UFC also. It's probably not a fair comparison that I made, and I apologise if that's the case, but it's difficult to directly compare boxing with the UFC, given all the different weight classes and organisations.


From my ignorant perspective, I think the reasons holding back both fights from happening are similar and not really related to weight divisions.
The main reason Pacquaio/Mayweather hasn't happened is because both guys are under different promotions, Mayweather is Goldenboy and Pacquiao is Top Rank, it's very different than the UFC which is a league just like the NFL. Because of that the two promotions haven't been able to come to terms on such things as money, venues, and of course the Olympic Style testing which is something Mayweather is extremely adamant about and as a more of a sports fan than a fighting fan I agree with his view of it.

If Pacquiao and Mayweather both fought under a league then the fight would be much, much easier to make. That's one reason why I think the UFC is successful, everyone is in a league and you don't have the under handed promoters like Bob Arum and all the politics involved.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Based on that, I'm guessing the closest MMA has come to Mayweather/Pacquaio was the issue getting Fedor to fight any of the UFC champs. Or is that another issue again?
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Growing up in the UK, big boxing matches were a major event - Ali fighting just about anyone was always big news. Then came the Ray Leonard, Herns, Hagler, Duran era and life was good. Finally that man Tyson hit the scene and everyone had the chance to imagine what it would have been like to sit and watch men battle to the death in the Roman circus... and behind so many of these fights - the man with the crazy troll-doll hair, convicted killer and absolute ruler of the square ring - Don King!

IMO King was a man to be despised, he was a crazy self publicist who would do anything to ensure that he, and only he was responsible for promoting the biggest fights – the heavyweights (does that sound at all familiar?). However, with hindsight things in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s weren’t that bad – the great fights always seemed to happen (although maybe I just wasn’t aware that certain great fights weren’t being made?) and although boxers routinely complained about being ripped off by King – the fights that mattered were being made.

As far as I am concerned, boxing hit the slippery slope (and hasn’t stopped sliding) when:

1. It collided with a giant can of alphabet soup and asking who was the current world champion depended on whether it was the WBA, WBO, IBF or WTF etc. and
2. When they decided that more money could be made by doubling/trebling the number of weight classes so instead of the lightweight, middleweight and heavyweight titles we now have a champion every three or four pounds (seriously)

I do find it very strange that for so many years (decades) the US dominated the heavyweight division – but since the Ukrainian brothers came to power the US seems unable to mount a worthwhile challenge…

I can’t believe that I saying this – but where is Don King when you need him most? For all those that dislike Dana White, and want him gone from the UFC – be careful what you wish for.

I must admit to being biased as I haven’t paid to watch boxing since Tyson lost to Lewis – and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

Boxing’s has been downhill since Ray Leonard vs. Thomas Herns 1, Ali vs. Forman and Haggler vs. Mugabe. The UFC has a long way to go to match those fights - but they are already way beyond where boxing currently is!

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I think boxing has a systemic problem, and the UFC/MMA events are vastly superior to them. At this point I don't wonder if MMA has passed boxing I wonder if Nascar, Tennis, Golf and Pro-Wrestling have.

With that said thanks to Hollywood the sport will never die out. You can always make a great boxing movie and they will.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:47 PM   #19 (permalink)
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How are we supposed to leave out opinions on an statement that was entirely opinion though? I could say "MMA on it's worst day is still better than boxing on it's best"
Ehhh, no I can't agree with that. I would watch Julio Cesar Chavez Jr fight any day over UFC 119. The problem with boxing right now is there are not a lot of finishers, there are a lot of guys content with winning an easy decision and keep their records in tact. The only guy who was finishing guys as of late, Pacman, has looked terrible in his last couple outings.

Having said that if Chavez Jr and Sergio Martniez get in the ring together I would watch that fight over A LOT of MMA fights.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:44 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I watch boxing a lot, and these guys at HBO are blowing it out of proportion.
Yes it's arguable that Pacquiao was robbed but they're making it sound like Pacquiao blew Bradley out of the water.
Jim Lampley and Dan Rafael's scorecards were disgusting.... Lampley commentating was awful, he was calling shots landing that weren't.
Of course boxing is only bad when a high profile fight goes wrong, nobody cares about the robberies that happen to lesser fighters (still names).
I like UFC and MMA in general. They have people actually fight against people who's good unlike boxing who build people up for 20+ fights usually.
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