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post #21 of 30 (permalink) Old 06-22-2012, 06:07 PM Thread Starter
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How are we supposed to leave out opinions on an statement that was entirely opinion though? I could say "MMA on it's worst day is still better than boxing on it's best" and it holds just as much validity than the statement from the reporter. I feel like that holds true, too, but is that biased opinion? Hell yes it is. I hate boxing. I love MMA. Any opinion I have on the subject is going to be heavily biased because that's what the core of an opinion is, bias.

Now if we want to investigate the factual parts of that opinion and find out if it's true the answer is an easy "That reporter is a moron." Pacquiao's last fight was a great example of a dark, dark day in boxing. That was very obviously fixed in some form or another. If you want to call it corruption instead of fixing, fine, but I hold both things to be one in the same. I couldn't even point out MMA's best day ever, but I can compare that to something that was a fantastic fight since we aren't comparing entire events. Any of Frankie Edgar's fights with BJ and Grey were all instant classics and far better than anything I could ever get from boxing. Fitch vs BJ was better due to the massive swing of that fight. Condit/Diaz was an amazing, technical battle. Anderson/Chael was possibly the best fight I've ever seen in my MMA watching career. All better than anything I've seen in boxing (that's an opinion) and I am fully willing to bet that if we were to hold a world wide poll of people who had no bias toward either sport, the vast majority would say that any of those fights were better than Pac/Bradley. While a consensus opinion doesn't make it fact, it does make it a far more valid opinion.
How so? What factual information can you use to support that opinion? The reporter does have a good excuse for saying such a thing, because if you look at the money aspect of the two sports it's not even close. That could be what he meant, because if you take it that way(money wise) it isn't really an opinion at all, but a fact isn't it?
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That wasn't boxing on it's worst day. It was judging on it's worst day.

The fight was great.
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That wasn't boxing on it's worst day. It was judging on it's worst day.

The fight was great.
Lol, it doesn't even make worst judging this year. Watch Campillo vs Cloud and Rios vs Abril.
I won't tell you who wins, but watch it and tell me who you thought won

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I watch boxing a lot, and these guys at HBO are blowing it out of proportion.
Yes it's arguable that Pacquiao was robbed but they're making it sound like Pacquiao blew Bradley out of the water.
Jim Lampley and Dan Rafael's scorecards were disgusting.... Lampley commentating was awful, he was calling shots landing that weren't.
Of course boxing is only bad when a high profile fight goes wrong, nobody cares about the robberies that happen to lesser fighters (still names).
I like UFC and MMA in general. They have people actually fight against people who's good unlike boxing who build people up for 20+ fights usually.
I actually agree with that. I watched the replay when they showed the Chavez Jr fight. After hearing about it I figured pacquio was going to completely light the guy up and just make him look like a child. When the fight was over I was very surprised, I didn't take time to score it or anything, but from what I watched it was no where near this onesided ass kicking it was being advertised as.

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Tonight has already surpassed any boxing card I've ever watched.
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nick diaz said it best when he said something along the lines of....

Floyd mayweather gets paid millions but he cant stop a ******* double leg (takedown). - diaz
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Tonight has already surpassed any boxing card I've ever watched.
You must not have seen many boxing cards...or you just loathe the sport.
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How so? What factual information can you use to support that opinion? The reporter does have a good excuse for saying such a thing, because if you look at the money aspect of the two sports it's not even close. That could be what he meant, because if you take it that way(money wise) it isn't really an opinion at all, but a fact isn't it?
My original statement was made with the intent to display how no one persons opinion holds any more weight in an argument than another. His statement was very obviously the exact opposite of what I was saying in that Boxing (as a sport, as a whole) is better than MMA given any circumstances. Changing the argument doesn't make my post less valid, it just shows you're resorting to an entirely untrue argument for defense.

Had you attacked the second part of my post (where I said if we're going to look at this you need to look at factual evidence, not opinion) that would be an interesting argument. Either way when you get into that you must first define what makes a sport better then find measurements of those definitions and weight both of them by sport and then compare the both of them to find out which is better. Money is one such way to do this, it is not the only. There are an immense and probably almost impossible amount of variables to consider for such a thing and even then it will probably come out relatively even. If it does come out even it's either that one sport is better than the other by a slim margin, meaning if something goes wrong on a given day in said sport it could possibly no longer be better than the other. You can sit there and try to do that but it really won't get you anywhere with anyone. People will enjoy it or dislike it generally based on opinions and their own likes/dislikes. Which brings me back to my original point that there is almost no feasible way to leave an opinion out of such an argument.

And in my opinion MMA > Boxing.
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You must not have seen many boxing cards...or you just loathe the sport.
Or he has a different opinion than you.

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This should be which is better kickboxing or mma since boxing is relevant as far as drawing power but not in regards to how exciting and interesting the actual sports are.
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