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Old 06-24-2012, 10:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I only gave Wanderlei round 2. Round 5 Franklin might have been going back but he was still out landing Wandy with his jab and even dropped him at the end.

Round 3 was a 10-8 round for Franklin IMHO. I dont remember if Wandy threw more then 5 punches that round. The first 3 minutes he just stood there not throwing anything. It reminded me off round 3 in Forrest/Tito 2. So i saw Franklin picking Wandy apart and then im not certain i think thats the round he put him in a body lock and took him down and landed some good shots and Elbows. So i have 10-8 to Franklin in round 3 and i need to watch it again but i think 10-8 for Wandy in round 2, depends on how the fight was going before Rich got rocked.

Round 1 - 10-9 Franklin
Round 2 - 10-8 Wandy
Round 3 - 10-8 Franklin
Round 4 - 10-9 Franklin
Round 5 - 10-9 Franklin

Thats how i scored it. I think people might argue with me on how i scored Round 3 but i think if you guys watch it again you will see that Wandy did absolutely nothing that round. It was 90% Franklin and 10% Wandy so if that doesnt mean a 10-8 then that just stinks. You cant be stiff as a board and expect to get a 10-9.
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Even if the second round was a 10-8 he would have lost. Wand just needed to continue to put the pressure in the beginning of the 3rd, 4th, and especially the 5th. Everytime he pressured Rich he got the better of the exchanges except for the very last 10 seconds. Other than the fact that Wandy was pacing himself, wary of his chin or lacked conditioning he really could have pulled it off.

That right hand knocked Rich flat with his head bouncing on the canvas. Very close...old Wandy just didn't have enough in the gas tank. Really too bad cuz that was definitely vintage Wandy just like what we saw against Cung.
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:43 PM   #13 (permalink)
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For that to have been a 10-8 Wanderlei would have had to be winning the round going into that last minute, he wasn't Rich was.

Watching it again Rich basically was winning that fight for 22/23 minutes.
Exactly. Rich was actually picking him apart in the 2nd rnd and I had him winning it until the flurry, so there is no way it could have been a 10-8 round.

You want a 10-8 round see Forrest vs Rampage rnd 2 or Gray Mayanrd vs Frankie Edgar 2, round 1.

You have to dominate the whole round, not 45 seconds of it.
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:50 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I only gave Wanderlei round 2. Round 5 Franklin might have been going back but he was still out landing Wandy with his jab and even dropped him at the end.

Round 3 was a 10-8 round for Franklin IMHO. I dont remember if Wandy threw more then 5 punches that round. The first 3 minutes he just stood there not throwing anything. It reminded me off round 3 in Forrest/Tito 2. So i saw Franklin picking Wandy apart and then im not certain i think thats the round he put him in a body lock and took him down and landed some good shots and Elbows. So i have 10-8 to Franklin in round 3 and i need to watch it again but i think 10-8 for Wandy in round 2, depends on how the fight was going before Rich got rocked.

Round 1 - 10-9 Franklin
Round 2 - 10-8 Wandy
Round 3 - 10-8 Franklin
Round 4 - 10-9 Franklin
Round 5 - 10-9 Franklin

Thats how i scored it. I think people might argue with me on how i scored Round 3 but i think if you guys watch it again you will see that Wandy did absolutely nothing that round. It was 90% Franklin and 10% Wandy so if that doesnt mean a 10-8 then that just stinks. You cant be stiff as a board and expect to get a 10-9.
Disagree with both 10-8 scores on the premise that neither fighter 100 percent dominated the round for all 5 minutes.

See examples of what I think is a 10-8 round in my post above.

And as for the OP there is no way in hell Wanderlei won that fight. He stole the 2nd round doing what Wanderlei does best, brawling.

I scored it 49-46 as all the judges did.
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Wow, I can't believe how quick some are to give out 10-8 rounds. That was not a 10-8 round, but it was clearly a 10-9 round based on the last minute of the round.
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Not a chance, at best you could make a case for a 48-46 fight, but I agree with the judges, 49-46 was an accurate score.
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Wow, I can't believe how quick some are to give out 10-8 rounds. That was not a 10-8 round, but it was clearly a 10-9 round based on the last minute of the round.
It was a 10-8 round by the book. A 10-8 is when a fighter shows superiority, which wand did in the second. But because if the way fights are scored you have to almost murder someone to get a 10-8. Imo Maynard v Edgar 2 should have been a 10-7 at least. So it depends on how your scoring system works. A 10-9 is a fairly even round where one fighter showed slightly better, as in landed a few more clean shots or got a take down something along those lines.

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It was a 10-8 round by the book. A 10-8 is when a fighter shows superiority, which wand did in the second. But because if the way fights are scored you have to almost murder someone to get a 10-8. Imo Maynard v Edgar 2 should have been a 10-7 at least. So it depends on how your scoring system works. A 10-9 is a fairly even round where one fighter showed slightly better, as in landed a few more clean shots or got a take down something along those lines.

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I disagree totally. While Wandy was close to finishing he by no means dominated the round. He stole it in the last minute which deserves a 10-9.

Here is a link to the FightMetric:

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3969

The important stats show that Wandy was very inactive for most of the round and Franklin, even after the attack by Wandy, still had more significant strikes. By your method anyone with a really tight RNC should be given a 10-8 round since someone showed 'superiority'.
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Disagree with both 10-8 scores on the premise that neither fighter 100 percent dominated the round for all 5 minutes.

See examples of what I think is a 10-8 round in my post above.

And as for the OP there is no way in hell Wanderlei won that fight. He stole the 2nd round doing what Wanderlei does best, brawling.

I scored it 49-46 as all the judges did.
Like i mentioned id need to see how round 2 was going before Rich got rocked to be certain it was a 10-8. If Rich was winning that round untill Wandy caught him then i would change it to 10-9 for Wandy. Round 3 to me was certainly a 10-8 round. It was complete domination by Rich in the fact that Wandy didnt throw a punch. If only 1 person is throwing punches and the opponent is just standing there doing nothing then thats a 10-8 nearly every time. To get a 9 you have to be active and make it somewhat competitive. If you arnt throwing punches then your not doing that.
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I love wandy.

If the judges happened to get the scoring so messed up they gave the fight to wanderlei, I'd have been okay with that. But do I really think wandy actually won the fight... At all, I mean even a little bit that the decision should have gone his way? Nah, nope, not even a chance. At the end of the fight I was really hoping cecil peoples was one of the judges.

Good fight anyways
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