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Old 06-27-2012, 05:22 PM   #111 (permalink)
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I've been saying this for years.. The hate towards the Leites and Maia fights should be directed at Leites and Maia, neither wanted anything to do with Anderson standing. They both fuucked around for 25 minutes without ever really trying to win the fight.. they'd get tagged and then try and goad him into their guards, yeah, nice.. Anderson isn't Fedor, he's not just gonna follow world champion jitsu players to the mat and jump into triangles. Anderson's stance in those fights was clear: "You want my title? Come and take it from me", but neither of them ever believed they were going to win once the octagon gates were closed.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:07 PM   #112 (permalink)
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I've been saying this for years.. The hate towards the Leites and Maia fights should be directed at Leites and Maia, neither wanted anything to do with Anderson standing. They both fuucked around for 25 minutes without ever really trying to win the fight.. they'd get tagged and then try and goad him into their guards, yeah, nice.. Anderson isn't Fedor, he's not just gonna follow world champion jitsu players to the mat and jump into triangles. Anderson's stance in those fights was clear: "You want my title? Come and take it from me", but neither of them ever believed they were going to win once the octagon gates were closed.
Silva had a big night against Maia because he got gassed out. His condidtioning wasn't up to par. He wanted to be exciting in every fight, and then when he faught Maia he was like "I'm toeing the line, come get me". Then he got gassed and couldnt do shit in the last two, and Maia dropped his brains and started fighting off balls.

Silva isn't the Diaz brothers. When he trash talks, is so you will walk into a punch. When he wants to 'excite the fans', he wants to have a nice looking knockout, not have a war in which you exchange crazy shots. The Diaz bros trash talk because they want to punch you in the face, and maybe if they call you a ***** then you will punch them in the face, and their whole strategy is that "I can take a punch in the face, as long as it means I get to punch him back". Silva's strategy is "They can try and punch me in the face, but I dont like that, so I'll dodge it and try and have a crazy knockout".

What Silva would have loved would be the Belfort knockout on Maia. That way, he keeps the amazing KO, and gets the amazing fight with a striker that engages him that he is dying for. He gets Leites, who just rolls on the floor. Griffin, who had a gameplay and when Anderson said "Lets just punch", Griffin raised his hands like "I want to but I cant". Then he got Maia, who was basically Leites again, then he got Sonnen, who landed some punches but were light enough ones that were intended to lead up a takedown (they werent even supposed to land, but Silva was so off they did damage). FINALLY, after 4 fights that just werent great for him, he gets Belfort. A come forward hard hitting striker. What happens? No fight, kicked and KOed. The only fight he got was Okami, after 5 bad ones.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:52 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I found that post quite confusing. Maybe it's because I haven't slept since i got home an hour ago from work, it's 8 47am now, i'll give it a better attempt later, but so you know, Anderson is not afraid to take shots to the head Nick Diaz style, he's just evolved as a fighter and his boxing and head movement have become next level. Watch his old fights, he was just like Wanderlei and Shogun.

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Old 06-27-2012, 06:52 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Just watched the first round of Silva V Sonnen 1 again. I think that a lot of this TRT and injured rib talk is all excuses to be honest.

Chael caught Silva with an overhand. It's not that Chael was lucky, Silva has made a career off of 'catching people', but Silva was unlucky that he was caught against such a dangerous ground fighter out of everyone. He was hurt. He stood up and put his hands down and took 3 shots, proving that when he's ready, he can take anything you can throw at him, but he was still dazed, and Chael took advantage and put him down. Silva was so over worker, taking shots and getting tired, that he wasnt even attempting the figure 4 from the guard or to find a submission. Sonnen was doing well and Silva wasn't, simple as. Watching through Silva's fights aswell, he doesnt seem to have amazing cardio. He was gassed against Maia, didn't look to be jam packed with energy going into just the second against Okami, and I think the pressure and work of Sonnen gassed him out in this one, and I'm assuming this is what's going to lead into the rest of the takedowns as he gets more and more exausted.
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I found that post quite confusing. Maybe it's because I haven't slept since i got home an hour ago from work, it's 8 47am now, i'll give it a better attempt later, but so you know, Anderson is not afraid to take shots to the head Nick Diaz style, he's just evolved as a fighter and his boxing and head movement have become next level. Watch his old fights, he was just like Wanderlei and Shogun.

I'm only really watching UFC onwards, but it's not that he's afriad, it's that he doesnt want to. It's not his style. He isnt going to put his hands down and say "Hit me motherfcker" and then start throwing combos Diaz style. He's going to say "Come on, try and hit me" and then dodge, your punch, and hit you back. He engages to work you down. His side kicks to the knee, his front kicks, his jab. He isnt really looking for the knockout off the front foot, maybe to catch you (like he did with Belfort). He's fighting to counter you. If you're not throwing, neither is he, but he's telling you to throw, which fits into his gameplan.
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I'm only really watching UFC onwards, but it's not that he's afriad, it's that he doesnt want to. It's not his style. He isnt going to put his hands down and say "Hit me motherfcker" and then start throwing combos Diaz style. He's going to say "Come on, try and hit me" and then dodge, your punch, and hit you back. He engages to work you down. His side kicks to the knee, his front kicks, his jab. He isnt really looking for the knockout off the front foot, maybe to catch you (like he did with Belfort). He's fighting to counter you. If you're not throwing, neither is he, but he's telling you to throw, which fits into his gameplan.
What he actually does these days is uses his amazing head movement to stand in the pocket and keep his hands by his side, begging his opponent to try to hit him in his undefended face, yet they cannot, he slips and lands a strike that is not only perfectly placed, it's also perfectly timed so that the forward momentum from his opponent's missed strike creates more impact on said fighter.
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:17 PM   #117 (permalink)
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What he actually does these days is uses his amazing head movement to stand in the pocket and keep his hands by his side, begging his opponent to try to hit him in his undefended face, yet they cannot, he slips and lands a strike that is not only perfectly placed, it's also perfectly timed so that the forward momentum from his opponent's missed strike creates more impact on said fighter.
Pretty much what I said with more adjectives.

Alright, bout to go into the 5th, and I take it back, Silva never got gassed. He showed a lot of heart actually. He came into the 2nd ready to fight, looking hyperactive and really to get into it as he usually has a round under a wrestler or a feeling out round. He was caught straight away and taken down though and couldnt get up. The next round, he had a kick reversed to a takedown. In the 4th, I think he had a chance to finish it. Chael took some shots and curled onto his back. If Silva stuck to his entire career, he would have backed off, let Chael get up, and then went to work again putting on a lot of pressure. Chael was tired, although his relentless style will never become tired, his stand up will, and it looked as if it was. If Anderson backed off, he might have been able to use the reckless front footed attack he had started and took over the fight, but instead Chael reversed it on the ground and the same happened again.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:46 PM   #118 (permalink)
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It's hard to make heads or tales out of this conference call however the more I read and listen I can't help but think that the words from Silva were indeed genuine. Sonnen has spent the better part of over 2 years pushing this persona and "selling" the fight. Along the way he crossed a line for Silva on several occasions and now 2 weeks out, Silva finally responds. He basically cut through the BS and called it like it is, Sonnen is a cheat and a convicted criminal. Fact. Silva's person, family and country were attacked by Sonnen, to which Silva detailed vividly the damage he was going to inflict. To this Sonnen had no response until much after the fact and even than it was the same old song and dance.

To me, Silva's response was the that he sees himself as a defender of his country and honor more so than the belt. And ultimately he sees this as its time to get down to business, no more talking and lets fight.

I think this leads to a very long night for Sonnen and its not going to end up good. I am fully aware of the poor TDD that Silva has been plagued by his career however I don't see that as something that Silva is really worried about. Ultimately I could never count Sonnen out after what transpired from from the first fight, but that was 2 years ago. Silva sounds extremely motivated and that could be very dangerous. We will see how real and motivated Silva is in ten days. CAN'T WAIT!
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:55 PM   #119 (permalink)
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Sonnen can take Anderson down and pound on him for five rounds. Silva can submit Sonnen. Both men have what it takes to win, and neither 'fears' the other. Both of them know what's at stake, and so both are going to bring it. End of story.

You people have made this less fun than it should be. Chael is going to get KOed in the first this. Anderson is too old that. Sonnen and Anderson are afraid of one another. Blah, blah, blah.
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I'm in the minority here, but I believe that BOTH Chael and Spider are trolling the sh*t out of the public into one of the largest buy-rates the UFC has ever seen.

It behooves them both financially from % buys.
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