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post #21 of 36 (permalink) Old 06-29-2012, 08:57 AM
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Condit is going to get dropped, several times. Condit may be a better pure striker but GSP is the best MMA striker this sport has seen and that adds a whole new level to the game.
I highly disagree. I don't think the best MMA striker in the sport would narrowly out strike Jake Shields for 5 rounds or stand up with Dan Hardy for a mere 20 seconds each round.

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Well I am exaggerating, of course he has a chance. I just think GSP is better at everything, so I don't Give Condit a very good chance. You did make a pretty matter-of-fact statement that GSP isn't getting past Condit with no specific reasoning.
I agree, I should have elaborated on it really. It's cool.

I don't think GSP is better at every thing. I think Georges' over cautious style is really going to cost him against a killer like Carlos Condit.

Carlos has the striking, ground game and tenacity to give GSP a lot of problems. Then you have to take into consideration the lay off. It spells trouble for the French Canadian.
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I'm still a Condit fan. If he finishes GSP I'll be the first guy to scream at my monitor in ecstasy. Still, if GSP manages to circle and jab Condit for five rounds it would be irony of fate and I'd love that too.




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I highly disagree. I don't think the best MMA striker in the sport would narrowly out strike Jake Shields for 5 rounds or stand up with Dan Hardy for a mere 20 seconds each round.



I agree, I should have elaborated on it really. It's cool.

I don't think GSP is better at every thing. I think Georges' over cautious style is really going to cost him against a killer like Carlos Condit.

Carlos has the striking, ground game and tenacity to give GSP a lot of problems. Then you have to take into consideration the lay off. It spells trouble for the French Canadian.
I'm not sure how Condit is better at anything than GSP, except maybe aggression, and that can be a huge liability against a good counter puncher, which is why Condit didn't do it against Diaz.

Penn was supposed to outstrike GSP, he got mauled. Alves was supposed to be the more dangerous striker, and he got dropped a couple times.

I don't think Condit can outstrike GSP, but it's irrelevant whether he can or not, either way, he gets taken down anytime GSP feels like it.

Condit has a good ground game, very good, but GSP probably has the best combination of grappling/wrestling in MMA. I doubt Condit gets subbed or TKO'd, but he won't do much better on the ground than anyone else does against GSP.

Bottom line, it doesn't matter if you're the second best at everything in the world if the guy your're fighting is number 1. Condit is good, this isn't like Hardy-GSP, but Condit still has barely more than a punchers chance here.
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I highly disagree. I don't think the best MMA striker in the sport would narrowly out strike Jake Shields for 5 rounds or stand up with Dan Hardy for a mere 20 seconds each round.



I agree, I should have elaborated on it really. It's cool.

I don't think GSP is better at every thing. I think Georges' over cautious style is really going to cost him against a killer like Carlos Condit.

Carlos has the striking, ground game and tenacity to give GSP a lot of problems. Then you have to take into consideration the lay off. It spells trouble for the French Canadian.
You're being a bit selective in your fight memory there ... GSP also stood with Alves for half the fight and tooled him standing. He also had a lot of success with BJ on the feet. Both these guys are excellent strikers. Koscheck isn't too bad on his feet either and he got tooled as well.

So what if he chose to take it to the ground against Hardy? He did it because he can and Hardy is so one-dimensional. Why would he fight a stupid gameplan just to please haters who will find something else to hate anyway?

And getting badly eyepoked by Shields and still dominating him the rest of the fight does not reflect on his lack of standup in any way.

Condit is dangerous but no more dangerous than the likes of BJ (with more cardio) whose style he resembles. But cardio or not, BJ was dominated pillar to post their second fight.
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I've never rated Alves too highly and as far as Josh Koschecks stand up goes, he nearly got knocked out by Dustin Hazlett... He's a mediocre striker at best.

I think Condit is a far superior fighter right now over the likes of Alves and Koscheck.

GSP hasn't faced a fighter with the tenacity of Carlos Condit, or some one with such an aggressive guard either. People will be quick to mention BJ's second fight, but BJ has never been known for throwing up subs from his back and that second fight was riddled with controversy (not going into another discussion about grease gate, lets just leave it at that).

People seem to be just over looking the severity of GSP's injury it seems. He's only human, and such a serious injury is going to take it's toll on GSP come fight night.

In truth, I haven't been really impressed with GSP since the second BJ Penn fight and I think a bunch of current fighters in the WW division could cause him a lot of problems.

Condit
Diaz
Kampmann (improving by leaps and bounds every fight)
Macdonald
Silva

I think Condit and Diaz can both beat GSP, whilst the others I listed are still dangerous match ups for him, but likely to lose at this point. In the future though......
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People seem to be just over looking the severity of GSP's injury it seems. He's only human, and such a serious injury is going to take it's toll on GSP come fight night.
I don't think anyone is- in fact, the majority of posters have acknowledged that the injury is the x-factor here.

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I think Condit and Diaz can both beat GSP, whilst the others I listed are still dangerous match ups for him, but likely to lose at this point. In the future though....
I do too, actually. I don't think they will, at least not at this point in their respective careers.
IMO, GSP's top game is too dominant. He wa-a-y too heavy once he gets there, and way to good at everything else for me to bet against him at this point.

The unknown quantity is the knee, and any ring rust that may or may not have developed.

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I've never rated Alves too highly and as far as Josh Koschecks stand up goes, he nearly got knocked out by Dustin Hazlett... He's a mediocre striker at best.

I think Condit is a far superior fighter right now over the likes of Alves and Koscheck.

GSP hasn't faced a fighter with the tenacity of Carlos Condit, or some one with such an aggressive guard either. People will be quick to mention BJ's second fight, but BJ has never been known for throwing up subs from his back and that second fight was riddled with controversy (not going into another discussion about grease gate, lets just leave it at that).

People seem to be just over looking the severity of GSP's injury it seems. He's only human, and such a serious injury is going to take it's toll on GSP come fight night.

In truth, I haven't been really impressed with GSP since the second BJ Penn fight and I think a bunch of current fighters in the WW division could cause him a lot of problems.

Condit
Diaz
Kampmann (improving by leaps and bounds every fight)
Macdonald
Silva

I think Condit and Diaz can both beat GSP, whilst the others I listed are still dangerous match ups for him, but likely to lose at this point. In the future though......
I agree that the guys you named all pose a legit threat to GSP in the time to come.

Condit and Diaz both have a more aggressive guard than BJ or Serra, but I still think GSP has shown the kind of superior top control and GnP that can stifle and damage them. I'm willing to admit this is just my opinion though, I guess there is no way to be sure until they do fight.

Macdonald, Silva and Kampmann ... they still have a way to go. Currently they are all still too raw to beat GSP IMO. Just looking at the wide openings they leave and their wild-ish technique sometimes (for Silva and MacDonald) makes me think GSP would easily capitalize on those openings as of now.
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I agree that the guys you named all pose a legit threat to GSP in the time to come.

Condit and Diaz both have a more aggressive guard than BJ or Serra, but I still think GSP has shown the kind of superior top control and GnP that can stifle and damage them. I'm willing to admit this is just my opinion though, I guess there is no way to be sure until they do fight.

Macdonald, Silva and Kampmann ... they still have a way to go. Currently they are all still too raw to beat GSP IMO. Just looking at the wide openings they leave and their wild-ish technique sometimes (for Silva and MacDonald) makes me think GSP would easily capitalize on those openings as of now.
Out of all of the guys I listed, I think in the future, Erik Silva is the one to look out for. I see him as the fighter with the most potential. There is just some thing special about that kid. This may be a bit premature, but I think there is some thing almost Jon Jones esque about him. Not in terms of of his style, but just in terms of raw talent and potential. He's so calm and relaxed in the octagon, like he feels at home.

Like you said, he's a little raw and rough around the edges at this point, but in the future, after he's polished his skills some more, I can see him having the striking and the BJJ to beat any one in the division.
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Every single GSP fight it's the same thing. GSP's a bum, so and so will annihilate him.... and then the guy goes out and looks like an amateur while GSP breaks their will. These guys are all years behind in development, years, there's no way Condit wins unless it's by one lucky punch or if GSP's knee gets hurt, that's it. Condit can't beat GSP standing because if Condit starts to get too aggressive and starts to think he's winning the standup GSP just takes the fight to the ground 100% of the time.

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Every single GSP fight it's the same thing. GSP's a bum, so and so will annihilate him.... and then the guy goes out and looks like an amateur while GSP breaks their will. These guys are all years behind in development, years, there's no way Condit wins unless it's by one lucky punch or if GSP's knee gets hurt, that's it. Condit can't beat GSP standing because if Condit starts to get too aggressive and starts to think he's winning the standup GSP just takes the fight to the ground 100% of the time.
This, I just don't see anyone in WW able to really stand a credible chance against GSP. Anything can happen of course. And there are a few guys there who may be able to get to that level, later on but not quite yet.

GSP is already probably working on that one or two basic techniques that will shut Condit's whole game down.

I'd even believe that he'd go for a finish this time cause he likes Condit as a person and would probably prefer a clean finish rather than a half hour public humiliation

can't wait for GSP vs Diaz tho, that one will be fun to watch.
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