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Really.

Being fat is the only reason Lesnar gets takedowns.
when has Lesnar ever been fat? that was muscle

and also the fight where Frank was at his leanest. Hell, he even admitted himself that he needed to put on more weight to be able to control guys like Lesnar.


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Lesnar vs Mir II showed its much easier to close holes in sub defense than it is to close holes in takedown defense.



I don't think Silva has Bisping's gastank. He can't afford to battle back to his feet everytime he hits the mat & turn it into a wrestling match. He'll gas before Chael does.

Standing KO may be Silva's only hope.
You are going to compare Lesnar on top of someone to Chael on top?

Perhaps Mir couldn't get the sub because he was too busy getting his face pounded in. Where as many of the shots Chael through, Anderson just took all of Chael's shots without getting hurt.

You are also going to compare Chael to a GREEN Lesnar the first fight? A fight that was his first in the UFC and against anyone even decent? How is that even comparable? Mir shouldn't of even sub'd him in the first fight if Lesnar even knew what a leglock was. He was waving his foot around just asking for it.

2 completely different scenario's.

Silva will gas before Chael will? Silva was fresher in the 5th round last fight than Chael....and he was thge one who got "punched" 400 more times.

I don't buy any of your post.

Fact is. No...Lesnar didn't prove anything other than he could lay ona nd pound on Mir's face. Chael has been sub'd in basically all of his losses. He never has learned any sub defense and will just get sub'd eariler this time around.

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when has Lesnar ever been fat? that was muscle

and also the fight where Frank was at his leanest. Hell, he even admitted himself that he needed to put on more weight to be able to control guys like Lesnar.
Junior Dos Santos weighs less than Frank Mir & he does just fine against wrestlers like Carwin & Velasquez.

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Junior Dos Santos weighs less than Frank Mir & he does just fine against wrestlers like Carwin & Velasquez.

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Stopping one half assed takedown from Cain doesn't prove he can stop a takedown from a 265 pound wrestler.




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Stopping one half assed takedown from Cain doesn't prove he can stop a takedown from a 265 pound wrestler.
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SHANE CARWIN VS. JUNIOR DOS SANTOS

Round 1
Both men paw and feel one another out, their right hands loaded. Carwin shoots in after about 40 seconds and shoves Dos Santos into the cage(JDS stuffs the takedown of a 265 wrestler). The Brazilian hits a knee upon exit and then slides out of the way when Carwin tries to rush him with a right hand. “Cigano” plunks the American with a right hook and steps out, then does the same with a lead jab while dodging a punch from Carwin. Overhand right partially connects for Dos Santos as the opening round heads into its second half. Cigano flicks out a left jab to find the range and Carwin ducks under to trip his man down. Dos Santos is right back up and snaps off a few left jabs to Carwin’s nose. He doubles up the jab now and finishes with a right cross. Carwin is in bad shape and he turtles up as Cigano pounces. Carwin motions to ref Dean that he’s being it in the back of the head, but Dean doesn’t take action. Dos Santos lands 20 or more unanswered shots and Carwin’s face is badly bloodied, a cut under his left eye as he walks to his corner.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-8 Dos Santos
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-8 Dos Santos
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-8 Dos Santos

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Carwin is cut deeply beneath both eyes and looks to be sporting a broken nose as the last round starts. He takes only one jab before shooting a single-leg and dragging Cigano to the base of the fence. Dos Santos stays down only a few seconds before using the fence to work up and slamming a knee into Carwin’s midsection. The Brazilian continually circles right, lands shots and circles again. Left hooks land to the head and ribs of Carwin, then a straight right. A tiring Carwin continues moving forward with single shots, all of which are sidestepped by Dos Santos. A jab stumbles Carwin and a left jab-right hook combo has him moving backward again. Left cross, left jab for Dos Santos and referee Dean steps in between the heavyweights with about a minute to go. He calls for the cageside doctor, who asks Carwin if he can see. Carwin responds in the affirmative and is allowed to continue after passing a quick vision test. They restart and Dos Santos ducks a punch to plow Carwin to the floor. He lets Carwin right back up and picks away with leg kicks and left hooks, scoring another takedown just as time expires.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Dos Santos (30-26 Dos Santos)
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Dos Santos (30-26 Dos Santos)
Chris Nelson scores the round 10-9 Dos Santos (30-26 Dos Santos)

Official scores: The scorecards hold no surprises, reading 30-27, 30-27 and 30-26 for Junior dos Santos, the winner by unanimous decision and No. 1 contender to Cain Velasquez’s UFC heavyweight title.

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First of all, JDS' takedown defence is elite. Hes probably got the best defence in HW history. So everyone can hardly be at his level. You should be comparing Mir to someone like Kongo or Brendan Schaub.

Secondly, Carwin is hardly the wrestler Lesnar is.


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First of all, JDS' takedown defence is elite. Hes probably got the best defence in HW history. So everyone can hardly be at his level. You should be comparing Mir to someone like Kongo or Brendan Schaub.

Secondly, Carwin is hardly the wrestler Lesnar is.
I'd say Carwin is exactly the wrestler Lesnar is.

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I'd say Carwin is exactly the wrestler Lesnar is.
Shane Carwin is not Brock Lesnar. I realize why you're upset because Junior has never been taken down consistently by anyone. What you have to realize though is that he never fought a long fight against anyone who relies largely on his wrestling. The only wrestler of world class format he fought was Cain and JDS ended it too quick to really tell if his TDD would have held up. There's just no proof yet, everything is purely speculation at this point.

And just by the way, I never claimed he had no TDD.




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I'd say Carwin is exactly the wrestler Lesnar is.
We may be drifting a little off topic but... no.

I think Carwin is a better fighter than Lesnar for as long as he can last....

BUT in wrestling, Carwin quite literally was not in Lesnar's league.

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Hi guys,
in my opinion, Silva gets the win via KO. 3rd round..
After having rewatched the first fight, I'm qite sure that Silva wasn't a 100%..his takedown defense sucked, that was quite surprising.

One aspect could be bad for Silva..Sonnen got under his skin, now he's getting emotional. A thing, a fighter shouldn't.

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Greets from sunny Germany!

Already excited for the fight, I hope, we won't be dissapointed..
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