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Old 07-04-2012, 06:00 PM   #81 (permalink)
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I just got done watching the fight yesterday (first fight), Sonnen actually had no problems standing up with him. In fact, Sonnen actually got the better of him standing except for a flurry Anderson got off in the 4th (I think that was the round) where Sonnen survived fairly easy and got right back on top.

Not saying Sonnen is the better striker by any means, but I highly doubt that got Sonnen even the slightest bit worried. He already knows Anderson has great striking, that's nothing new, but what is new in this fight is he knows that he did quite well standing with him considering the skill gap in their striking ability.

Honestly, neither guy is scared or worried - it would be ridiculous to think otherwise. These are two top ranked MMA fighters who already fought once, one guy won and the other guy dominated him for 4 and a half rounds, both are coming into this fight with complete confidence and know what's going on, some pre-fight banter isn't going to worry either of them.
My point isnt whether its true or not. My point is that Sonnen did not look happy about the comment at all. Considering Sonnen was trying to wind Silva up during the whole conference, it was good to see Silva get under Sonnens skin a touch. Good on him.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:05 PM   #82 (permalink)
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where was Sonnen's great striking against Bisping?

I think the success Sonnen was having in the striking department in the first fight is more due to Anderson's rib injury than his own technique.

I mean, have you ever seen Anderson look that slow before? or after?
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but nobody's ever been like this to Anderson, insulting his family, friends and country. Chaels gotten to him for sure, you wouldn't be emotional if some did that to you in the media?
Anderson isn't bothered about those things, because he knows it's all an act. He knows that Chael is full of shit and doesn't even mean half of the stuff he says. It's all just false bravado and bullshit and Andy knows this. I don't think he could care less about Sonnens comments because it isn't real, none of it.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:37 PM   #84 (permalink)
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My point isnt whether its true or not. My point is that Sonnen did not look happy about the comment at all. Considering Sonnen was trying to wind Silva up during the whole conference, it was good to see Silva get under Sonnens skin a touch. Good on him.
Why would that get under Sonnen's skin?

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where was Sonnen's great striking against Bisping?

I think the success Sonnen was having in the striking department in the first fight is more due to Anderson's rib injury than his own technique.

I mean, have you ever seen Anderson look that slow before? or after?
I don't buy his rib injury excuse. Tell me the last person who got in Anderson's face right at the start of the bell, never holding back, rushing him and straight up taking the fight to him? Anderson requires time to feel his opponent out before he can get shots off, Sonnen didn't let him, he punched him in the head, got in his face, threw him on the ground and kept him there.

That has far more to do with Anderson's striking looking worse than it did in other fights, he's not scared of Anderson, he doesn't give Anderson room to breathe or find his pacing - he makes Anderson fight from the sound of the bell, and Anderson had 0 answers striking for this kind of pressure/pace.

Will he improve on that? I don't know, we will all have to wait and see, for his sake I would hope so, as he needs to change a lot of his game if he wants this fight going any other way for him (sub on his back at some point in the fight).

Very curious to see how this fight goes down, hoping for a war.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:40 PM   #85 (permalink)
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I don't buy his rib injury excuse. Tell me the last person who got in Anderson's face right at the start of the bell, never holding back, rushing him and straight up taking the fight to him? Anderson requires time to feel his opponent out before he can get shots off, Sonnen didn't let him, he punched him in the head, got in his face, threw him on the ground and kept him there.

That has far more to do with Anderson's striking looking worse than it did in other fights, he's not scared of Anderson, he doesn't give Anderson room to breathe or find his pacing - he makes Anderson fight from the sound of the bell, and Anderson had 0 answers striking for this kind of pressure/pace.
then why hasn't Chael's striking looked as good since that fight? I mean, not even close.
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then why hasn't Chael's striking looked as good since that fight? I mean, not even close.
His TRT got ****ed up maybe, he looked like an animal against Silva and has looked fairly average since the whole scandal
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then why hasn't Chael's striking looked as good since that fight? I mean, not even close.
Probably because Sonnen isn't a great striker, nore did I ever claim him to be.

Anderson's great striking comes from being able to have the time and pace to set up his strikes and learn the rhythm of the fight. Every single fighter he has fought as champion have always let him settle in and get his pacing down, and they all eventually paid for it.

If you take away his timing (the single most important part of his striking) he is not nearly as dangerous. Sonnen knows that, hell, everyone on this forum knows that - we all know Silva takes time and settles in for a few minutes before going at it, he has to get that timing down, without his timing and ability to strike at his distance and his pacing, he would not be nearly as dangerous.

Sonnen got in his face and punched him, kicked him, got at him from 1 second into the fight, Sonnen was beating him and pushing him striking before his rib ever even thought about getting hurt. His rib is no excuse, he was already losing, it just continued after.

Whether Silva adjusts to this in the coming fight is up for debate, I won't call a winner one way or the other, could be a Sonnen decision, could be a Silva TKO/sub, could be a Silva decision, Sonnen could get him in a position against the cage on the ground where the ref stops it because it's too difficult for Anderson to defend, it's going to be very interesting seeing how this plays out.
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Probably because Sonnen isn't a great striker, nore did I ever claim him to be.

Anderson's great striking comes from being able to have the time and pace to set up his strikes and learn the rhythm of the fight. Every single fighter he has fought as champion have always let him settle in and get his pacing down, and they all eventually paid for it.

If you take away his timing (the single most important part of his striking) he is not nearly as dangerous. Sonnen knows that, hell, everyone on this forum knows that - we all know Silva takes time and settles in for a few minutes before going at it, he has to get that timing down, without his timing and ability to strike at his distance and his pacing, he would not be nearly as dangerous.

Sonnen got in his face and punched him, kicked him, got at him from 1 second into the fight, Sonnen was beating him and pushing him striking before his rib ever even thought about getting hurt. His rib is no excuse, he was already losing, it just continued after.

Whether Silva adjusts to this in the coming fight is up for debate, I won't call a winner one way or the other, could be a Sonnen decision, could be a Silva TKO/sub, could be a Silva decision, Sonnen could get him in a position against the cage on the ground where the ref stops it because it's too difficult for Anderson to defend, it's going to be very interesting seeing how this plays out.
alright, sir! thanks for clearing that up.


personally I'm kinda hoping for a Sonnen victory to shake up the division.
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then why hasn't Chael's striking looked as good since that fight? I mean, not even close.
He looked good standing against Stann for the short time it was standing. He did look horrible against Bisping though. But that was horrible all around, even his double leg didn't look that good. Who knows styles make fights maybe Bisping's style of striking was just hard for Sonnen to adapt to at the last second. He did just get out of a camp for Mark Munoz, where he probably worked mostly avoiding big bombs, going in and out and counter wrestling to fighting Bisping who is a volume striker that throws more technical shots and combos.
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where was Sonnen's great striking against Bisping?

I think the success Sonnen was having in the striking department in the first fight is more due to Anderson's rib injury than his own technique.

I mean, have you ever seen Anderson look that slow before? or after?
Bisping fought the fight of his life that night and Sonnen looked terrible. Supposedly he had a bad weight cut which could have attributed to his less then stellar showing but who knows.

I was nervous when they read the decision because Mike looked terrific tbh. Wouldn't have been surprised if they had gave him the win. Kudos to the Count.

As far as a rub injury, gtfo. Fighters rarely come in at %100 and the only difference was Sonnen managed to touch the tender spot more than a few times early in the fight.
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