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Old 07-03-2012, 09:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Did Anderson play possum to win via submission in the first fight with Chael?

Thought this was a real interesting read from bloody elbow.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/7/2/...b-in-the-first

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Anderson played possum with Chael in the first fight because he wanted to submit him, and now having proven that point will beat the hell out of Chael on the feet this time.

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During the lead up to the first fight Chael talked a LOT of shit. It was epic and highly entertaining. However the word was that none of it bothered Anderson except ONE comment: Chael's joke about the jiu-jitsu black belt from the Nogeira's = happy meal toy. Widespread speculation before the fight (not just on the internet but in official UFC hype for the fight) was that this was the only comment Chael made that got under Anderson's skin and actually angered him.
I didn't think too much of that until I saw the following: In the 'Like Water' documentary, there is footage of a conversation between Anderson and one of the Nogeira's (I forget which), where Anderson insists that he is going to submit Chael. Big/Little Nog says "no, you'll knock him out because you are Anderson Silva". Anderson insists again "no, I am going to submit him" (I'm paraphrasing but you get the gist). The two embraced and it seemed to me (watching with the benefit of hindsight of course) like a pretty serious thing.

On the night of the fight Anderson walks out to the octagon in his gi (with Nogeira-bestowed jiu-jitsu black belt of course). To my recollection that was the first and last time he did this. Furthermore at the end of the fight, after holding his black belt aloft with the UFC Middleweight Championship belt, he makes Joe Rogan, Ed Soares and all of us watching wait for the post-fight interview while he PUTS THE GI BACK ON. Not just the jacket for the sponsors: Pants, jacket and that Nogeira jiu-jitsu black belt that Chael had mocked.

The fight itself: this is a bit more contentious, not so much evidence as my opinion. At the time, watching the fight live, I was too pumped up and shocked at Chael continually knocking Anderson down to consider this possibility, but re-watching the fight, and considering it with the other evidence, I submit to you that Anderson was letting Chael land shots and went down very, very easily. (I think he may also have been giving up the takedowns easily too, but Chael is a great wrestler so that is harder to say). Why? Because he was determined to submit Chael, and realistically the only way to do this against a dominant wrestler was off his back.

This seems a ridiculously risky strategy from Anderson - leaving his chin hanging out and letting the number 1 contender land big shots and control him from the top in the hope of landing a submission from the bottom. But certainly if there is one thing Anderson knew about Chael before that first fight it is that he is a sucker for a submission (and triangles in particular), and honestly is Anderson adopting that strategy really less likely than Chael Sonnen - who just barely squeaked out a decision against Michael Bisping in January - outstriking the greatest striker in the history of MMA?

I see Anderson vs Chael II looking a lot more like Anderson vs Forrest Griffin, Vitor Belfort or (please no Anderson!!) Demian Maia than the first fight between them. The X factor is Chael's takedowns of course, but I see Anderson having the speed, footwork and knees to nullify, or at least reduce, these...

Finally: haven't heard any mention of Chael's proclamation he would leave the UFC "FOREVER" if defeated for a while. I wonder why....
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I remember watching the fight and thinking Silva seemed very odd. He was slow, being outstruck and couldn't seem to get rhythm going and was taken down with almost no resistance. I think he was playing possum a little bit and hoping for a submission but I also believe it was partially to do with his rib injury.
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I think it's obvious he wanted to submit Chael.

Did he really wait until two minutes left in the fight? I doubt it, if Chael would have played it cool and just laid on him or even stood up I think he would have won.
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Interesting enough, but he was 2 minutes from that plan backfiring big time. I think that is too big of a risk to take. Chael just surprised him more than likely.
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I think it's obvious he wanted to submit Chael.

Did he really wait until two minutes left in the fight? I doubt it, if Chael would have played it cool and just laid on him or even stood up I think he would have won.
On the flip side, there is the theory that Chael knew he’d get busted for his T:E ratio and thus gave Anderson the triangle. Had Sonnen won, he would’ve been public enemy #1 for taking the title, then getting it stripped immediately. History only remembers the winners and if the winner set a record for highest T:E ratio ever, it would’ve been a huge black mark on the sport. With a loss, Chael was free to serve his suspension and remind people how he handled Silva for 23 minutes, thus setting up a huge money-spinner of a rematch.
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Completely absurd.

That being said, I think Anderson wins this without ever being in trouble.
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Can it just be Chael outworked him for 23 minutes and just nullified all Anderson had to offer in that time? That's what I think happened. Leaving his chin to get tagged, and allowing takedowns to occur is a dumb strategy and not one I would see Anderson agreeing to.
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On the flip side, there is the theory that Chael knew he’d get busted for his T:E ratio and thus gave Anderson the triangle. Had Sonnen won, he would’ve been public enemy #1 for taking the title, then getting it stripped immediately. History only remembers the winners and if the winner set a record for highest T:E ratio ever, it would’ve been a huge black mark on the sport. With a loss, Chael was free to serve his suspension and remind people how he handled Silva for 23 minutes, thus setting up a huge money-spinner of a rematch.
That's also possible but that sounds more like excuses from Sonnen fans.

I just think Chael gives Anderson problems in general, and we'll see something similar in this fight, whether the result remains the same is to be seen.
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I remember hearing that because Chael spent so much time dissing the Nogueira Brothers... that he wanted to win the fight using BJJ since the Nog Bros. taught him BJJ.

That's also why Anderson walked to the cage wearing a gi.
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This was by far one of the dumbest rumors in MMA. I'm sure he wanted to sub Chael, but the idea that he could have finished at all time and just chose not to is beyond stupid.
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