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Old 07-12-2012, 08:28 PM   #101 (permalink)
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If Sonnen won the first fight, he would have been stripped of the title anyways since he got caught for the TRT thing, and he was punished.

Anderson got caught cheating on MORE THAN 1 occasion, and no punishment. I'm more upset at the complete lack of punishment. It sets a bad example for the sport and upcoming fighters.

Had it been two fighters just fighting and someone pulled the crap that Anderson pulled, he probably would have been cut or fined out the ass.
You are delusional. He did nothing to get fined or cut for. The vaseline thing isn't viewed as any kind of a big deal no one would even get a point deduction for that. The shoulder strike at the weighins was the only thing he did that would really piss someone off in power.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:30 PM   #102 (permalink)
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If Sonnen won the first fight, he would have been stripped of the title anyways since he got caught for the TRT thing, and he was punished.

Anderson got caught cheating on MORE THAN 1 occasion, and no punishment. I'm more upset at the complete lack of punishment. It sets a bad example for the sport and upcoming fighters.

Had it been two fighters just fighting and someone pulled the crap that Anderson pulled, he probably would have been cut or fined out the ass.
Nah man come on, Kongo has done way worse things than this & as far as I can remember he's never been punished for it.

Also Bisping more or less ended a fight with am illegal knee, then spat on the other guys corner and still got the win, not even a NC, I thought it should have been a DQ. Far as I can remember he was given a small fine for the spitting part, nothing else.

These things that Silva did are nothing compared to things that have gone unpunished in the UFC.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:36 PM   #103 (permalink)
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You are delusional. He did nothing to get fined or cut for. The vaseline thing isn't viewed as any kind of a big deal no one would even get a point deduction for that. The shoulder strike at the weighins was the only thing he did that would really piss someone off in power.
Him holding the shorts?

Not to mention, all of it combined. Can't look at each individual action, because then, like you said, it's NOT that big of a deal. If he did one of those things, sure, I wouldn't be bothered by it at all.

But he did more than push Chael at the weigh ins, he struck him. Anderson Silva throwing a short range shoulder strike TO THE FACE would hurt like hell. It'd certainly drop me, it'd probably drop you too.

Trying to Vaseline himself and getting caught, eh, whatever to me. He got caught and toweled off. He should be warned to stop doing it since he does it basically every fight.

Holding the shorts for about 20 seconds, stopping a takedown and then landing strikes while still holding the shorts, that's just ugly cheating behavior. No way around that, and that's what really pisses me off the most.

Look at all of these things as a whole, and it's despicable, it's something that will get you labeled a cheater in my book. You don't have to agree with me, but my opinion of him stands. He's a dirty cheater.

And no, I didn't bring up the knee again because, well, it was a legal knee.
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It isn't despicable hitting a guy in the balls twice is way worse than that and has a much larger impact on the fight and that happens all the time. That wasn't an attempt to grease it is just stupid to claim he was trying to get an advantage because of how little he moved and where he moved it. If they really cared about it they would tell him to stop. The only thing to complain about within the fight is the short grabbing which was pretty bad for what it was but still not a serious foul.

I seriously doubt Anderson would drop me with a shoulder strike unless he came flying at me like an nfl linebacker seeing as how I am taller than him and something like that wouldn't even hit my chin. If only Chael went through puberty he might have been tall enough to avoid it as well.
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It isn't despicable hitting a guy in the balls twice is way worse than that and has a much larger impact on the fight and that happens all the time. That wasn't an attempt to grease it is just stupid to claim he was trying to get an advantage because of how little he moved and where he moved it. If they really cared about it they would tell him to stop. The only thing to complain about within the fight is the short grabbing which was pretty bad for what it was but still not a serious foul.

I seriously doubt Anderson would drop me with a shoulder strike unless he came flying at me like an nfl linebacker seeing as how I am taller than him and something like that wouldn't even hit my chin. If only Chael went through puberty he might have been tall enough to avoid it as well.
We just disagree then. I can't brush off all of those actions, these guys are supposed to be professionals. There is hyping a fight, and there is being a dirty fighter. Anderson crossed that line too many times in a 48 hour period for me.

He's still the greatest fighter to ever live though.
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Well yea, I wish he hadn't done it either, it was a dirty thing to do, I won't argue with that. I have seen as bad examples of shortsgrabbing as this one but that's not the point, it's not a nice thing to do.

I understand that you as a fan of Sonnen don't like that.

My only point is that it has been blown way out of proportion, maybe because it was such a big fight, I dunno. I just think that Silva has 2 stoppage wins against Sonnen, one where he broke the rules and one where Sonnen broke them (IMO in a much worse way). He's 2 - 0 against Sonnen and in the end all is fair.
He did also stop a few takedowns without grabbing his shorts.
You are a levelheaded Sonnenfan and I respect your opinion, I can see why you would think less of Silva after this fight, I just want the discussion to be done with, as IMO there is really not much to argue about anymore.
Thats true there's not much else to say that hasent already been said.

For me I guess this is more of a big deal for me because 2 reasons. one because of the hype and anticipation involved in this fight just to have it go this way. Two I hold the champ to much higher standards than everyone else on the roster and what's at stake in the fight namely the
belt. Not to mention the fact that he won and receives no punishment for his actions.

I wouldn't say I am a huge fan of Chael. I prefer him to many other fighters but first and foremost I am a rich Franklin fan.

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heres some <3 for you too and hope you grow out of your childish behaviour.

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Isnt that what you said last time Lol. Another lie. When you gonna stop lying???
You know you can get help for that right?? Im sure you dont mean to be a pathological liar, its just who you are.

You for some reason think when you make a claim its on the other guy to disprove it instead of your proving it. Crazy world you live in.

And if you were showing love you wouldnt try to throw in a butt hurt comment haha. Thanks though... il be sure to change my behavior 180 now. I cant wait to get home and work on that.
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It isn't despicable hitting a guy in the balls twice is way worse than that and has a much larger impact on the fight and that happens all the time. That wasn't an attempt to grease it is just stupid to claim he was trying to get an advantage because of how little he moved and where he moved it. If they really cared about it they would tell him to stop. The only thing to complain about within the fight is the short grabbing which was pretty bad for what it was but still not a serious foul.

I seriously doubt Anderson would drop me with a shoulder strike unless he came flying at me like an nfl linebacker seeing as how I am taller than him and something like that wouldn't even hit my chin. If only Chael went through puberty he might have been tall enough to avoid it as well.
I know many people who WENT through puberty and are shorter then Chael. But funny joke anyway.

Yeah the Anderson greasing thing is silly. Sure what he did was illegal but it was hardly an attempt at getting an advantage. So nothing worth talking about there.
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Anderson got caught cheating on MORE THAN 1 occasion, and no punishment. I'm more upset at the complete lack of punishment. It sets a bad example for the sport and upcoming fighters.
Wow. Did you really say that? Anderson is a bad example for the sport?
What about almost everything Chael said unprofessionally about Anderson's personal life, his wife, his childhood playing in the mud or Brazilians never using soap? Is that a good example?

About illegality, if Anderson would sue Chael for those public lines, before any court these things are a plain and direct offense transcending not only the boundaries of the sport but all civility and yes, punishable by law.

A shoulder to the face, although wrong, is insignificant compared to the whole bunch of low level attacks from Sonnen which were overlooked by the comission, Dana etc. If he is so self assure of his qualities, why would he need to destabilise Anderson anyway?

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Wow. Did you really say that? Anderson is a bad example for the sport?
What about almost everything Chael said unprofessionally about Anderson's personal life, his wife, his childhood playing in the mud or Brazilians never using soap? Is that a good example?

About illegality, if Anderson would sue Chael for those public lines, before any court these things are a plain and direct offense transcending not only the boundaries of the sport but all civility and yes, punishable by law.

A shoulder to the face, although wrong, is insignificant compared to the whole bunch of low level attacks from Sonnen which were overlooked by the comission, Dana etc. If he is so self assure of his qualities, why would he need to destabilise Anderson anyway?
First, when did I say that Chael was any kind of role model or ambassador of the sport? Chael said a lot of messed up things, but lots of fighters say a lot of things before a fight. It's all about knowing your boundaries. I'm looking at this fight and only this fight, forget the fight in the past because Chael already paid the punishment for his actions.

This last fight, Chael said a lot of messed up stuff but never crossed any real boundaries. Everything can be attributed to hyping the fight.

Anderson crossed those boundaries multiple times by cheating in the octagon and striking him at the weigh ins.
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