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Old 07-14-2012, 02:30 PM   #131 (permalink)
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People are supid. I have no idea why people still talk about hte prefight hype from Chael. He got everyone excited and both Silva and him made a ton of money.
He doesnt mean what he says. If Anderson really gets mad at Chael for getting him money, he is just as stupid as you guys.
They are already rich, man. That kind of publicity is garbage for the sport. It grew that big without this level of personal trespassing. What you are saying is that FOR YOU its Ok to be insulted for money (wonder what else is for sale...), so Anderson should not bother. That been said, think again whos really stupid.
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Old 07-14-2012, 02:37 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Where is Chael Sonnen's account, I'll infract him for what he said. Hell, Chael is about to get his account banned, where is he?
What I did mean is written right after "The point is:"
Scroll back if you want.

Anyway. I did mean You said that in the end of the day, words were just words and I said if you had to ban someone here in the forum, it would be based solely on the bad choice of words of that one. (Not Chael, daaah...) So, words do matter.

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Old 07-14-2012, 03:08 PM   #133 (permalink)
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What I did mean is written right after "The point is:"
Scroll back if you want.

Anyway. I did mean You said that in the end of the day, words were just words and I said if you had to ban someone here in the forum, it would be based solely on the bad choice of words of that one. (Not Chael, daaah...) So, words do matter.
I didn't think that was truly the case... but are you basically saying that Anderson isn't responsible for his own actions? Nothing in the rule book about what you can say to another fighter outside the ring. Freedom of speech and everything like that.

So is Anderson not responsible for his own actions?
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:16 PM   #134 (permalink)
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I don't really think that's what he means man. I think he is saying that you, as an admin with power overt this forum, have a set of rules and guidelines that you believe are "right" or "just". Anderson is like the admin of the octagon and Chael made several huge infractions personally against the admin. At least that's the metaphor he was going for, I think.
Actually no, it was about the question whether "words are just words" and they are not. "Words" do have an influence on reality. If someone uses the wrong words in this forum i.e. offensive words, SpoKen or any other admin or mod might react with a ban and that person wouldn't be able anymore to post in this forum. You can actually "act" with words to change reality: i.e. if the marriage registrar ask you whether you want to marry that women that is with you and your answer is "yes", you change your status to "married" which has a big influence to the reality surrounding you, i.e. taxes etc. In linguistics that is called acting due to language. That's why some people cannot just ignore what Sonnen said to Silva, about his wife, about Brazil and his people etc. prior to the fight.
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Actually no, it was about the question whether "words are just words" and they are not. "Words" do have an influence on reality. If someone uses the wrong words in this forum i.e. offensive words, SpoKen or any other admin or mod might react with a ban and that person wouldn't be able anymore to post in this forum. You can actually "act" with words to change reality: i.e. if the marriage registrar ask you whether you want to marry that women that is with you and your answer is "yes", you change your status to "married" which has a big influence to the reality surrounding you, i.e. taxes etc. In linguistics that is called acting due to language. That's why some people cannot just ignore what Sonnen said to Silva, about his wife, about Brazil and his people etc. prior to the fight.
Well words that signify which "action" or "Choice" you want to take is different then trash talk. You cant clump saying "Yes" to marriage with telling Anderson he sucks.
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:41 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Well words that signify which "action" or "Choice" you want to take is different then trash talk. You cant clump saying "Yes" to marriage with telling Anderson he sucks.
Those have a difference, yes, but take the other example. The bottom line is, words do have an impact on reality.
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Those have a difference, yes, but take the other example. The bottom line is, words do have an impact on reality.
Thats still up to the human. Words dont have any power that we dont give them.
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:47 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Thats EXACTLY what it did have.

Chael would have taken Anderson down on 2 different occasions against the fence if Anderson didnt hold on to the shorts to establish underhooks. He didnt have underhooks thus he grabbed on to the shorts to simulate the barrier underhooks give. This is coming from someone who wrestled for 5 years and currently trains MMA. The people who say "Well it looked like Anderson would have defended the takedown anyway" are simply Anderson fans. He didnt hold on to the shorts for dear life for no reason, that alone should let them know they are wrong.

So Chael gets the takedown in round 2 and probably wins that round and never throws that spinning backfist.

Thus the shorts grabbing shaped the way that fight played out.

Now would the outcome have changed??? I HAVE NOOO ******* CLUE. But i do know it changed the fight itself.

Brilliantly calculated move by Anderson Silva. He didnt care about getting warned or getting points deducted since he wasnt going to win a decision. BUT he did care about getting taken down. So it was a win-win for him.

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"If you aint cheating you aint playing to WIN!"
Just to poin out the absurdity of the situation, a random poster on MMAforum with self-claimed uncertain credentials claims one thing and Chael Sonnen with certain experience claims another thing. Which comment should wiegh more?
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Old 07-14-2012, 03:53 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Thats still up to the human. Words dont have any power that we dont give them.
Of course, but there are certain conventions in society. That's why we accept the "yes" at a marriage to be the sign/act of the actual marriage with all the consequences, and that's why a lot of people feel "offensive" language to be offensive.
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Of course, but there are certain conventions in society. That's why we accept the "yes" at a marriage to be the sign/act of the actual marriage with all the consequences, and that's why a lot of people feel "offensive" language to be offensive.
Chael Sonnen also carried around a fake belt in which he claimed he stole from Anderson's house as a thief in the night.

Trash talk is trash talk, but it doesn't give ANYONE the right to blatantly break rules.
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