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post #141 of 213 (permalink) Old 07-14-2012, 03:18 PM Thread Starter
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Just to poin out the absurdity of the situation, a random poster on MMAforum with self-claimed uncertain credentials claims one thing and Chael Sonnen with certain experience claims another thing. Which comment should wiegh more?
You dont have to believe me. It doesnt matter much to me. But since you cant figure out why Chael would be in the worst position to say something about the shorts grabbing let me explain it for you. Oh btw YOU are a random poster...

If Chael Sonnen complains then people are just going to claim he is whining. And lets not forget his trt issue after the first fight. He(Chael) is in no position to scream foul. + he lost the fight and wants to be a good sport about everything. Nothing wrong with that.
This is common sense.

Even Chaels fans are being called whiners. So there is no way around it. Unless you say "Yes he beat me!" you are going to get people claiming you are just being a sore loser. Whether there is truth in the statement or not.

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What did Chael Sonnen say??? If i remember his speech was pretty much just saying he is going to do it to someone down the line so itl even itself out. It seemed to me he just wanted to move on from it instead of coming off as making excuses.

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I'll be honest. I was expecting foul play in this fight, and was pleasantly surprised by how tame it was.

When Chael was sat against the fence I thought 'Oh dear he is going to get kicked or kneed in the face and Anderson is not going to care if he gets disqualified, RIP Sonnen'. Silva was brutal and legal all at the same time, which of course we see often in this sport but the emotional drama of this fight is the kind that makes fighters do wrong.

If you can't appreciate Anderson's performance here, I don't understand your standards.

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post #143 of 213 (permalink) Old 07-14-2012, 04:22 PM
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You dont have to believe me. It doesnt matter much to me. But since you cant figure out why Chael would be in the worst position to say something about the shorts grabbing let me explain it for you. Oh btw YOU are a random poster...

If Chael Sonnen complains then people are just going to claim he is whining. And lets not forget his trt issue after the first fight. He(Chael) is in no position to scream foul. + he lost the fight and wants to be a good sport about everything. Nothing wrong with that.
This is common sense.

Even Chaels fans are being called whiners. So there is no way around it. Unless you say "Yes he beat me!" you are going to get people claiming you are just being a sore loser. Whether there is truth in the statement or not.

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What did Chael Sonnen say??? If i remember his speech was pretty much just saying he is going to do it to someone down the line so itl even itself out. It seemed to me he just wanted to move on from it instead of coming off as making excuses.
Ah, so Sonnen, or his camp, did not contest the results or refereeing of the fight because he does not want to be seen as a sore loser. And you came to this, oh so obvious, conclusion due to the glaringly obvious clue of Sonnen not saying anything closely resembling that.

Sorry to brake this to you, but you're as random as anyone of us here. Appealing to authority with personal credentials that can't be veryfied in any meaningful way does not a compelling argument make.

Here is the quote:
"Yeah, Anderson grabbed my shorts, but I grabbed his right back. It goes both ways. We can't sit and nitpick some of that stuff. It's a two-man sport. It's kind of like moving the chains in football. It evens itself out. Anderson grabbed my shorts tonight. I'll grab somebody else's sometime down the road."

I took from that, that Sonnen does not think the episode had much of an effect if any on the outcome of the fight. This coming from someone with extensive familiarity of Steven Seagal movies and is currently on the watch for new ones.
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I'll be honest. I was expecting foul play in this fight, and was pleasantly surprised by how tame it was.

When Chael was sat against the fence I thought 'Oh dear he is going to get kicked or kneed in the face and Anderson is not going to care if he gets disqualified, RIP Sonnen'. Silva was brutal and legal all at the same time, which of course we see often in this sport but the emotional drama of this fight is the kind that makes fighters do wrong.

If you can't appreciate Anderson's performance here, I don't understand your standards.
Personaly I can't appreciate his performance because he cheated his way to a victory.

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I'll be honest. I was expecting foul play in this fight, and was pleasantly surprised by how tame it was.

When Chael was sat against the fence I thought 'Oh dear he is going to get kicked or kneed in the face and Anderson is not going to care if he gets disqualified, RIP Sonnen'. Silva was brutal and legal all at the same time, which of course we see often in this sport but the emotional drama of this fight is the kind that makes fighters do wrong.

If you can't appreciate Anderson's performance here, I don't understand your standards.
For a second I thought Anderson had lost his mind and kneed sonnen in the face right in front of the ref. I'm glad that wasn't the case he kept his composure and not let years of hard work go down the drain. Even though I think it would have been great if he had broken sonnens nose with a knee.
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Personaly I can't appreciate his performance because he cheated his way to a victory.
They all grab shorts until the ref tells them not to, they all grab the fence until the ref tells them not to.

Knee to the chest? Ref can't tell you not to do that.

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Personaly I can't appreciate his performance because he cheated his way to a victory.
Hahaha. What goes around comes around. If Anderson cheated his way to victory this time, Chael cheated his way to failure last time. God, not even cheating he is able to win...
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They all grab shorts until the ref tells them not to, they all grab the fence until the ref tells them not to.

Knee to the chest? Ref can't tell you not to do that.
I have no problems with the knee.

People grab shorts/cage all the time but most of the time it's not intentional. I've done it befor in practice without realizing it till someone tells I understand that. However I believe silva went in that second round full knowing that if he was close to a take down he was going to grab the shorts and stopthe td at all costs. Also he greased. Finally I hold the champion to higher standards than the rest of the roster.

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I didn't think that was truly the case... but are you basically saying that Anderson isn't responsible for his own actions? ............................So is Anderson not responsible for his own actions?
I have no clue how you concluded something like this.

A Police Officer pinches my wife's butt. I'll tell in court I am responsible for his black eye. We are always responsible for our actions, being triggered by others or not.
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Hahaha. What goes around comes around. If Anderson cheated his way to victory this time, Chael cheated his way to failure last time. God, not even cheating he is able to win...
The funny thing about that "what goes around comes around" in this case is that without Sonnen's cheating he probably wouldn't have looked that dominant in the first fight and consequently wouldn't have gotten the rematch that easily. So that little short grabbing in return would equal that cheated chance of a rematch...
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