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post #171 of 213 (permalink) Old 07-16-2012, 03:34 AM
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Check on Chael's head and torso. If Anderson's knee or the thigh would hit (note that HIT is the word used) his face or jaw, his head would be thrown up and backward. Instead, his whole body is thrown backward and the angle between his neck ant his torso does not increase, showing the impact ocurred on his chest. As planned.

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post #172 of 213 (permalink) Old 07-16-2012, 03:35 AM Thread Starter
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A knee is a knee, a thigh is a thigh. If Anderson wanted, that knee would hit Chael's upper right molar, if that was the tooth he was aiming.
But is the motion of "Kneeing" a person in the face illegal. Or is only hitting him with the specific body part "Knee" illegal. MY GUESS would be the whole action of kneeing someone is illegal. Because imagine someone kneeing an downed opponent in the head BUT did it fully with the thigh. I would almost stake my life that the Ref would call it.


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Check on Chael's head and torso. If Anderson's knee or the thigh would hit (note that HIT is the word used) his face or jaw, his head would be thrown up and backward. Instead, his whole body is thrown backward and the angle between his neck ant his torso does not increase, showing the impact ocurred on his chest. As planned.

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The Thigh CLEARLY hits Chaels jaw and its the first impact.

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If someone knees a downed person with the angle going down towards the chin then that would actually cause his head to move inward instead of bouncing outward.

That said

Chaels jaw gets hit with the thigh first and his head starts bouncing backward because the thigh is a straight impact and not a downward angle impact. THEN the knee hits the chest.

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But is the motion of "Kneeing" a person in the face illegal. Or is only hitting him with the specific body part "Knee" illegal. MY GUESS would be the whole action of kneeing someone is illegal. Because imagine someone kneeing an downed opponent in the head BUT did it fully with the thigh. I would almost stake my life that the Ref would call it.







The Thigh CLEARLY hits Chaels jaw and its the first impact.

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If someone knees a downed person with the angle going down towards the chin then that would actually cause his head to move inward instead of bouncing outward.

That said

Chaels jaw gets hit with the thigh first and his head starts bouncing backward because the thigh is a straight impact and not a downward angle impact. THEN the knee hits the chest.
Targeting is part of it. Say you were back side control and clearly targeted the head with a knee but hit with the thigh that would likely be considered a foul. Anderson targeted the body so the thigh hitting is incidental contact. If you land an actual knee strike to the head whether you targeted it or not that is obviously a foul. The motion is not illegal by itself it requires contact and/or targeting.
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Targeting is part of it. Say you were back side control and clearly targeted the head with a knee but hit with the thigh that would likely be considered a foul. Anderson targeted the body so the thigh hitting is incidental contact. If you land an actual knee strike to the head whether you targeted it or not that is obviously a foul. The motion is not illegal by itself it requires contact and/or targeting.
Yeah i understand/know all that. I certainly dont think Anderson should have been called on it.
That said im not so sure that "Kneeing the head motion" with the thigh is legal. I know the "motion" is legal BUT if your targeting the head then i think it changes things.
I dont believe your allowed to knee someone in the head even if it is the thigh your using.

But yeah Anderson was clearly aiming for the chest and making contact with the thigh to the chin seems hard to avoid. (Incidental contact as you called it)
And if for some reason it was a "foul" then anyone on the receding end of it can easily exploit it by forcing their chin to touch the thigh while getting hit. Which is something we should avoid. Its enough for me to give Anderson a pass. We dont need people exploiting more shit rules. So yea i see no reason to call foul on accidental thigh to chin contact when hitting the chest.

Now if you miss the chest all together and hit the chin with the thigh... then i think it is illegal and rightly so.

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The Thigh CLEARLY hits Chaels jaw and its the first impact.

AND

If someone knees a downed person with the angle going down towards the chin then that would actually cause his head to move inward instead of bouncing outward.

That said

Chaels jaw gets hit with the thigh first and his head starts bouncing backward because the thigh is a straight impact and not a downward angle impact. THEN the knee hits the chest.
How can you say the Thigh CLEARLY(in CAPS) hits Chael's jaw first when his left arm is covering everything? X-Ray vision? As I said before, there was never an impact (impact I say, not contact) on his face/jaw by the movement of his body as a whole. His head never bounced as you said. The knee lands clearly in the middle of the chest.

BTW, basic anatomy classes for those who believe a thigh and a knee are all the same.
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How can you say the Thigh CLEARLY(in CAPS) hits Chael's jaw first when his left arm is covering everything? X-Ray vision? As I said before, there was never an impact (impact I say, not contact) on his face/jaw by the movement of his body as a whole. His head never bounced as you said. The knee lands clearly in the middle of the chest.

BTW, basic anatomy classes for those who believe a thigh and a knee are all the same.
Yes. I just rewatched that scene again on full screen, the slo-mo replay at 0.1x speed and image by image. There could be a slight contact by the face to the thigh (Sonnen brings his head slightly forward when tensing his neck muscles to prepare for a possible impact), but that's not sure - you cannot really tell as his arm covers the thigh line, but from movement (or better non movement) of his head there for sure was definitely no impact at all on his head. This arguing about the knee has to stop.

What's weird, there's nothing more to be heard about Sonnen's tongue biting and those eight stitches he supposedly needed. In all those interviews he gave after the fight, he obviously had no issues with his tongues and could speak perfectly well.
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If anything hit the jaw, it was the thigh. Although to me it looks, if the thigh does hit, it hits the nose/cheek area.

Inconsequential.
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The thigh and knee are two different body parts just like the elbow and forearm. So please get over it already.
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Still a lot of butt hurt people i see , You American's sure are shitty loser's , You will try to find an excuse for anything that involves a Yank getting beat by a foreigner , Give it a rest , Geez
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Seriously guys. Give this a rest. The knee was legal. The only people doubting that are keyboard warriors.

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