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Old 07-11-2012, 04:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah this is just the way it is in all sports. That isn't enough to call someone dirty everyone is doing small things that bend and break the rules. Dirty fighters are the ones who do the major stuff as though it were perfectly normal like kicking and kneeing downed opponents in the head, repeatedly low blowing guys, or eye gouging.
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:54 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Silva did some dirty shit. I accept that. Many fighters have done dodgy bollocks in the cage. If Sonnen had an illegal opportunity to escape from Silva at the end of the fight, out of sight of the ref? Who here thinks he wouldn't have taken advantage of it?

What Silva did affected the fight. Who knows what might have happened if he hadn't had grabbed them. But it wasn't an isolated incident that turned the whole fight. Silva was clearly coming into form during the second. His timing was spot on and he was starting to have some success standing. Far more success then at any point in the first fight. If the short grab hadn't had happened, from what I had seen up to then, my money would have still been on Silva eventually knocking him out.

The "who knows what might have happened" argument is ridiculous. Otherwise you have to ask what might have happened if Sonnens testosterone was at normal levels for the first fight?
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Yeah this is just the way it is in all sports. That isn't enough to call someone dirty everyone is doing small things that bend and break the rules. Dirty fighters are the ones who do the major stuff as though it were perfectly normal like kicking and kneeing downed opponents in the head, repeatedly low blowing guys, or eye gouging.
Yeah i dont consider Anderson a dirty fighter. He did what he had to do. There was alot riding on that fight so if you can get away with it then why not. Its on the REF to see it and handle it. Would your rather have Chael take you down and be on top of you OR would you rather hold on to the shorts and have the ref maybe warn you. I would choose number 2 every day of the week every minute of the day. If i was Anderson i wouldnt let Chael beat me no matter what i had to do tbh. If i was fighting a friend i would probably stick to the rules strictly though.

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I dont see him doing that stuff in alot of his fights. This is the first time iv actually seen him do that. The greasing stuff i know he has done before but that doesnt impact the fight imo so its not worth talking about.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:43 AM   #24 (permalink)
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The only thing I took away from the fight is that Anderson is a dirty as hell fighter. Seriously, after that first round he took every opportunity he could to cheat. Anderson didn't care if that knee hit his opponents face, it just managed to not hit his face.

You could tell Rashad meant to throw the knee to the gut that finished Tito, but Andy literally flew into it, and you can't be 100% accurate when you fly through the air with a knee to a grounded opponent.

Good article, Chael Sonnen is so freakin manly, I hope you guys are taking note.


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so he held his shorts woopdy doo. you call anderson a cheat and chael manly when chael 'actually' cheated and behaves like a child leading up to the fight

maybe its just my pov
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wow surprised to see a post like this from an admin

so he held his shorts woopdy doo. you call anderson a cheat and chael manly when chael 'actually' cheated and behaves like a child leading up to the fight

maybe its just my pov
What did Chael do this fight???
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What did Chael do this fight???
He continued to pump testosterone via a loophole in the system, without undergoing any random testing to know what his levels during training were, and even on fight night "legally" pump up to 6 times the normal levels under the current absurd rules.

To even the playing field Anderson used more minor loopholes in the system as well. Rules only have a possible point deduction up to referee discretion for shorts grab, and the referee didn't deduct them. Even if he did, the points wouldn't have mattered. End of story.

People can't just conveniently overlook a major rule exploitation for the guy they worship and complain about the other minor one from the other guy. Just because it gives them some sort of solace for their butthurt and lets people delude themselves into thinking their boy wouldn't have had his ass whupped.

Either both men fight honorably, or both toss away the honor and turn it into a gutter fight as much as they can get away with.

You can't have one guy walking a slow ten paces with a gun while the other is willing to turn at the third pace and blast away. If that's gonna happen, then you just gotta do it the wild west way and draw.
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Why is such a big deal being made out of grabbing his shorts? I hear "Don't grab his shorts" or "Don't grab the fence" once ever single event. Not a big deal. If he continued to do it, he'd have been deducted a point.
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If Chael had continued to mouth-off on Silva after the fight then that would have just been annoying to hear, glad he's showing respect and taking the high-road. Didn't agree with some of Andersons tactics, but Chael done himself proud in the aftermath of a disappointing loss.
I so agree with you on most of what you write on this forum. Although I never doubted Sonnen was a much better man than his "persona". This is actually someone I'd love to meet and have a drink and a chat with.
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He continued to pump testosterone via a loophole in the system, without undergoing any random testing to know what his levels during training were, and even on fight night "legally" pump up to 6 times the normal levels under the current absurd rules.

To even the playing field Anderson used more minor loopholes in the system as well. Rules only have a possible point deduction up to referee discretion for shorts grab, and the referee didn't deduct them. Even if he did, the points wouldn't have mattered. End of story.

People can't just conveniently overlook a major rule exploitation for the guy they worship and complain about the other minor one from the other guy. Just because it gives them some sort of solace for their butthurt and lets people delude themselves into thinking their boy wouldn't have had his ass whupped.

Either both men fight honorably, or both toss away the honor and turn it into a gutter fight as much as they can get away with.

You can't have one guy walking a slow ten paces with a gun while the other is willing to turn at the third pace and blast away. If that's gonna happen, then you just gotta do it the wild west way and draw.

So he used a LEGAL medical substance to battle a condition called hypogonadism. He also mentioned he gets tested every 2 weeks and only takes the medicine as instructed. And he got tested this fight.

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And it isnt a "loophole" in the system. Its a RULE in the system. You can go to the NSAC website and click FAQ and it will give you instructions and paperwork to fill out for necessary Testosterone treatment exemption. It even needs your medical information.

Now can i ask where your source is that he never gets tested?? Because you MUST have one to make such an accusation.

So everything you just said is complete nonsense. You can use those accusations on his last fight BUT this fight that doesn't apply.

Chael didnt cheat. Plain and simple. And that is FACT unless results come out that his testosterone is too high.

You should try and get a GIF/PIC of Chaels Testosterone being too high this training camp as proof. Same as the proof of Anderson cheating thats posted in this very thread.



And on your other part.
Who in the world overlooks it??? Nobody overlooks it. People admit to chael taking trt treatment and to his testosterone being too high his last fight. Now unless the same proof shows up this fight its impossible to make that claim. So nobody overlooks it.

If something is being overlooked it was Andersons cheating to avoid being taken down. Even though there are many pictures and Gifs of it. You would rather avoid it or make excuses for it instead of just admitting to what he did. Its crazy.


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Why is such a big deal being made out of grabbing his shorts? I hear "Don't grab his shorts" or "Don't grab the fence" once ever single event. Not a big deal. If he continued to do it, he'd have been deducted a point.
Well its because he did continue to do it. And because it changed the way the fight went. Im not saying that Chael would have won... FAR FROM IT. But Chael would have gotten him down in round 2 and then never thrown that spinning backfist. Now could Anderson have won in rounds 3,4, or 5?? HELL YEA. Probably even likely. But it changed the path of the fight and now we will never know what that other path (With Chael taking Anderson down in rd 2) would have looked like. He got the win he got because of the rule he broke (And by "the win" im talking about the exact time he won/how/etc). Who knows we might have gotten an even more epic KO win in round 5 or something by Anderson. But we just wont ever know. And thats probably the part that stinks the most.

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As i mentioned earlier i dont blame Anderson for doing it. He chose a Reward/Risk move and it paid off. He would rather accept being warned by the ref OR having a point taken away to avoid the takedown knowing every chance he is standing he can get the KO. Then being taken down and risk loosing another round.
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So he used a LEGAL medical substance to battle a condition called hypogonadism. He also mentioned he gets tested every 2 weeks and only takes the medicine as instructed. And he got tested this fight.

Now can i ask where your source is that he never gets tested?? Because you MUST have one to make such an accusation.

And it isnt a "loophole" in the system. Its a RULE in the system. You can go to the NSAC website and click FAQ and it will give you instructions and paperwork to fill out for necessary Testosterone treatment exemption. It even needs your medical information.

So everything you just said is complete nonsense. You can use those accusations on his last fight BUT this fight that doesn't apply.

Chael didnt cheat. Plain and simple. And that is FACT unless results come out that his testosterone is too high.

You should try and get a GIF/PIC of Chaels Testosterone being too high as proof. Same as the proof of Anderson cheating thats posted in this very thread.



And on your other part.
Who in the world overlooks it??? Nobody overlooks it. People admit to chael taking trt treatment and to his testosterone being too high his last fight. Now unless the same proof shows up this fight its impossible to make that claim. So nobody overlooks it.

If something is being overlooked it was Andersons cheating to avoid being taken down. Even though there are many pictures and Gifs of it. You would rather avoid it or make excuses for it instead of just admitting to what he did. Its crazy.




Well its because he did continue to do it. And because it changed the way the fight went. Im not saying that Chael would have won... FAR FROM IT. But Chael would have gotten him down in round 2 and then never thrown that spinning backfist. Now could Anderson have won in rounds 3,4, or 5?? HELL YEA. Probably even likely. But he got the win he got because of the rule he broke. (And by "the win" im talking about the exact time he won/how/etc)
Where is YOUR source that mentions that Chael gets tested every two weeks? Without any proof to the contrary, the default practice by the commission is no random testing, so the burden of proof lies on you to prove otherwise.

Oh I see, Chael himself is your source, how reliable. The same guy who claims he's never lost.

Even if he does get tested every two weeks, it's meaningless to have your pet quack do the testing, as far as I know the commission isn't doing any random testing on him in between fights. Prove me wrong, post your source that THE COMMISSION is testing him between fights or during camp. He got tested right before the fight, but that is also fairly meaningless and doesn't catch him cycling between fights.

As far as the rules go it is not a loophole what anderson did either. The RULES state that a fighter can be warned for shorts grabbing, or there MAY be a point deduction for repeated offenses which didn't happen. That's it. The same way the rules state that Chael MAY be random tested for licensing but he wasn't.

But situations were handled by the same set of rules by the same people who decide how to apply them. BOTH sets of rules are lax.

And if you really believe chael's sob story of actually never going through puberty and having the hormone levels of gina carano, all while packing on muscle and smashing NCAA caliber wrestlers, I have a bridge to sell you in Manhattan.
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