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post #61 of 213 (permalink) Old 07-11-2012, 12:07 PM
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Oh well that was mostly about what Spoken said... but it is geting annoying to say the least when ppl who support Sonnen take the cheating road to explain why he lost...somehow its geting under my skin, i thought the props would be given to silva after all.
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People grab shorts all the time in MMA. I do it unconsciously in training all the time, I just stop myself when I notice I'm doing it, and that takes all of 1 second.

I may be a "butt hurt" fan, but if people think that Anderson holding the shorts for a FULL 20 SECONDS (While Chael was going for a takedown and when he was trying to escape leading him to taking a few shots) is not a big deal, then there is nothing else to say.

If the roles were reversed, and Chael grabbed his Anderson's shorts for half that amount of time, Andy fans would be up in arms about it.

We're talking 20 seconds of pure shorts grabbing. At the top of the shorts mind you. Anderson won the fight, but he did it be blatantly cheating.


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Maybe the bottom line in this whole scenario, is that Yves Levine is a crap referree. Would he have caught the vaseline if the guys outside hadn't point it out?
For 17 seconds silva held chaels shorts, 17 full seconds and the ref couldnt see it because his position was crap, he should of been in there stopping that after 2 or 3 seconds.
Whatever about the knee, it was not an easy decision to make because it was so fast

Its the most annoying thing in sport bad referreeing decisions. It happens so much in soccer its not funny, with insane knock effects that can destroy a clubs finances say in a relegation battles - in this case I dont think it can be denied without the shorts incident chael most likely would have completed the take down, changing the course of the fight. If the ref stops the grabbing, the course changes to who knows what...we can speculate but the reality is we dont know.
I blame the ref.

I dont blame Silva, but I dont respect him anymore after his antics. He went against all the philosophy of martial arts he's been preaching for the last few years.
The same thing happened when I saw what GSP did. These guys are full of shit whatever about their fighting ability.

If your going to talk about being honourable then do it, don't talk about it and then do the opposite.
People like Fedor and Randy are the true honourable people from our sport. They dont have to talk about it, they just do it, because deep down thats the kind of man they are. This is why they have been so loved by so many.
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Chael is being a real man here and showing some character.Silva greased and grabbed his shorts at pivotal moments which defiantly impacted the fight and had they not happened the fight may have gone completely different. Chael has every right to be pissed off but he is handling this with class as opposed to what most other fighters would do.

Silva fans you have to give this guy some credit.

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Frankly, the shorts grab was a real gamble for Silva, Chael could've just unloaded punches at Anderson's face while his hand was stuck down at waist level.

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Frankly, the shorts grab was a real gamble for Silva, Chael could've just unloaded punches at Anderson's face while his hand was stuck down at waist level.
yah but one the chances of chael abandoning the takedown for a few punches is very slim.

Also I think given chael's strengths (wrestling/lay and prey) weaknesses (pillow hands) and game plan (lay and prey a victory) silva would prefer take a few strikes, circle out and keep it standing as opposed to an entire round on his back.

It was a calculated risk and it paid off big time. But the big thing is that it was illegal.

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Chael is being a real man here and showing some character.Silva greased and grabbed his shorts at pivotal moments which defiantly impacted the fight and had they not happened the fight may have gone completely different. Chael has every right to be pissed off but he is handling this with class as opposed to what most other fighters would do.

Silva fans you have to give this guy some credit.
I agree that after the fight Sonnen has been behaving very well... but that doesn't change the years of stupidity he did before.

But I guess he realizes "It's Over"... so what's the point of continuing the constant trolling?
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Also I think given chael's strengths (wrestling/lay and prey) weaknesses (pillow hands) and game plan (lay and prey a victory)
Respect to a Sonnen fan for admitting that.

I'm definitely not happy with Silva grabbing the shorts and thought that they were close the point deduction worthy and wouldn't have complained if there had been a deduction, but come on, Silva also stuffed every other TD attempt in the 2nd and there were another three and a half rounds were he could KO Sonnen. The shorts grabbing was definitly bad, but to suggest that it has changed the final outcome of Silva winning at one point is a bit too far stretched. Sonnen not on high TRT just isn't that powerhouse. The better man won, even though it was including a bad move.
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