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Old 07-11-2012, 04:57 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Jesus... Chael is taking his loss like a man but his fans are taking his loss like a late night session with their cell mate. A lot of crying and bleeding asses.

Pretend that Anderson only won by cheating. It's not true but go ahead and believe it. Pretend that he only managed to stuff one of Chael's takedowns by cheating an ignore all of the shots of his he stuffed in the first fight and the ones he stuffed immediately following it. Pretend that what Anderson did with the vaseline was against the rules when it is not. Pretend that the knee was somehow meant for Sonnen's head and only him blocking it prevented Anderson from being dqed - even though slow mo shows that he didn't block it at all. Pretend that all of this is somehow grossly unfair to the lying, cheating felon who at least is man enough to accept his loss without bitching about it.

And in the midst of all of that pretending the rest of us will see what actually happened. I hate Sonnen. Still do even with him being kind of cool after the fight. It just doesn't erase 3 years of listening to him talk. I am an Anderson Silva fan but none of that blinds me to what happened during that fight.

The first round Silva got taken down and controlled. No damage done but it was a solid round for Chael. He looked tired at the end. I don't believe Silva intended to be taken down and controlled but I do believe his method of controlling Chael on the ground was planned to wear him out. If you are fighting someone like Chael it's the kind of thing you'd plan for.

Second round Silva stuffs a takedown and get's backed against the fence. He grabs Chael shorts but I do not think it really helped stop the takedown. His hand position and stance were perfect for defending the shot. Anderson takes a few knees to the face and doesn't even blink. Anderson goes for a single leg that Chael defends by grabbing his shorts. Chael breaks off and tries to retreat across the ring. Silva did rattle off a couple of cheap shots here and gets warned by the ref. Chael shoots again and is stuffed with absolutely nothing questionable happening. Tries a jab, spinning backfist combo, slips, and just sits there looking up at Silva. Silva lands the perfectly legal knee from hell. Sonnen attempts another takedown, is casually stuffed, pushed back against the cage, and dropped. GnP ends it.

That's what happened. Silva beat Sonnen again. Doing only one questionable thing that is still far less than what Sonnen did in their first fight. Do you know what the real travesty was from Saturday night? That Sonnen even got the ******* rematch.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:01 PM   #72 (permalink)
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What about it???

And do you have any proof of Chael hiring a doctor to say that for him??

If you want to claim that Chael is cheating this fight then you have to PROVE that. So far Chael is passing all the tests and is doing everything within the rules of the NSAC. So strictly speaking in this fight he is NOT cheating.

Now if he fails a test in the near future thats another thing. That would mean he cheated in this fight too.



Now Anyway. Quit distracting me! I need to sleep ) :
But if i see a post and dont respond its like an itch i cant scratch haha.
Soo good night im shutting this comp off before i see something else XD
I wasn't saying that Sonnens T:E would be too high this fight, just that TRT given to healthy men in their 30's is obviosuly a loophole, thinking anything else would be naive...it's just common sence. How am I gonna prove that they don't have hypogonadism? I can't, but anyone with common sence can see that it's a loophole.

Silva used some loopholes himself, and like Sonnen he got away with it, perfectly legal win according to NSAC, so why are so many Sonnen-fans complaining? I mean grabbing shorts and getting away with it within the rules isn't as bad as roiding and getting away with it within the rules IMO.

The rant about testosteron esters wasn't me trying to prove anything regarding this fight, just an answer to your previous question.
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:42 PM   #73 (permalink)
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It is really dis-heartining to see so many people acting the way they are. Chael is 0-2 aganist Silva. Nothing will change that. I for one would be happy to never see them fight again. I really thought all the crazieness would be done after the fight, but I was wrong. It just keeps getting worse, and worse. I lurk more then I post, but even that is becoming un-enjoyable. Whether you hate Chael, or you hate Silva should not matter. Everyone should look at this fight as objectivly as possible. Yes, Silva fought dirty, but did Silva tell Chael to throw that spinning elbow? No. Would Silva have gotten points taken away if he kept holding onto the shorts? Yes, I believe so. At the end of the day Chael lost, and that is all that matters. He is being classy in his loss. Why can't his fans?
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:14 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Please stop grouping all Sonnen fans together.

Like the man himself, I'm more than happy to move on. Certain 'transgressions' occurred in both fights. There's no sense in dwelling on any of it.
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Please stop grouping all Sonnen fans together.

Like the man himself, I'm more than happy to move on. Certain 'transgressions' occurred in both fights. There's no sense in dwelling on any of it.
I'm not actually including you in my comments. You've been level headed since the fight. Some of the other have been less so.
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I just can't believe Chael fans have the gaul to accuse someone else of cheating. That's the funniest thing ever.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:16 AM   #77 (permalink)
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Good grief with all these chael fanboys and their crying about cheating. Your guy lost and would have still lost regardless. Get over it.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:48 AM   #78 (permalink)
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I wasn't saying that Sonnens T:E would be too high this fight, just that TRT given to healthy men in their 30's is obviosuly a loophole, thinking anything else would be naive...it's just common sence. How am I gonna prove that they don't have hypogonadism? I can't, but anyone with common sence can see that it's a loophole.

Silva used some loopholes himself, and like Sonnen he got away with it, perfectly legal win according to NSAC, so why are so many Sonnen-fans complaining? I mean grabbing shorts and getting away with it within the rules isn't as bad as roiding and getting away with it within the rules IMO.

The rant about testosteron esters wasn't me trying to prove anything regarding this fight, just an answer to your previous question.
You dont know if he is a healthy man without it.

Quit frankly im surprised his testosterone was in the lower ends of Normal instead of the higher ends.

You are calling it a loophole because you WANT to call it a loophole not because you have any evidence to back you up.

And the stuff your talking about wasnt even part of the discussion we were having. Next time let me know you are not trying to participate in the discussion but instead pointing out something else. So i know what you are trying to get at. Instead of thinking wtf does this guy think he is proving.

And Chael this fight did everything completely legally. He didnt "Get away" with anything. He didnt have to get away with anything since everything he did is completely legal. What Anderson did ISNT legal. Simple as that.

If you further wanna discuss this then come with something else other then accusations or your own beliefs.
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You dont know if he is a healthy man without it.

Quit frankly im surprised his testosterone was in the lower ends of Normal instead of the higher ends.

You are calling it a loophole because you WANT to call it a loophole not because you have any evidence to back you up.

And the stuff your talking about wasnt even part of the discussion we were having. Next time let me know you are not trying to participate in the discussion but instead pointing out something else. So i know what you are trying to get at. Instead of thinking wtf does this guy think he is proving.

And Chael this fight did everything completely legally. He didnt "Get away" with anything. He didnt have to get away with anything since everything he did is completely legal. What Anderson did ISNT legal. Simple as that.

If you further wanna discuss this then come with something else other then accusations or your own beliefs.
come on now... you can go around saying "chael broke the rules the first fight" "anderson broke the rules the second fight". It doesnt matter. Silva won when sonnen broke the rules, and he won when he broke the rules.

And just to be completely fair, silva didn't violate any rule that results in suspensions, he violated a rule that results in a point deduction, but IT DOES NOT MATTER.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:33 AM   #80 (permalink)
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I can see it now. Silva vs Sonnen III

Rd 1 - 4 Silva pulls on his trunks so he can give Sonnen 10-8 for four rounds as Sonnen tries his hardest to dryhump him on the ground.

Rd 5 - Silva knees him in the head as he shoots for another TD

Point being guys, you need to stop fighting over the stupid stuff. Did he grab his shorts? GEE DUH But who used PEDS in the first fight? Who said that it's a street fight with two men locked inside of a cage?

Seriously guys, your hero is oppenly addmitting that Anderson is better and won the fight and DISMISSING what happened (short grabs, vasaline rubs) while you are sitting here pointing out the obvious.

The fight is over. Anderson won because he is a better fighter. Not because he put a drop of vaseline on his chest, not because he held onto his shorts, but because he is the greatest fighter of our time, arguably that has ever lived. Argue if you want, but facts don't lie.
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