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xxpillowxxjp 07-11-2012 10:12 AM

MW becoming the new grapple heavy division?
 
We use to talk about how WW was so jammed packed with wrestlers but in the last 2 years, MW has really came to rival it in terms of being the most grapple heavy division.

In these last 2 years, despite popular assumption, MW has had many stars start to emerge.

Phalares - One of the best grapplers on the ground. Everyone thought if he got the fight there, it was over, and the only way to beat him would be standing.

Belcher - Put on a clinic against phalares on the mat and showed exactly how high level his grappling was.

Munoz - Took maia down, escaped submissions, and kept control.

Sonnen - One of the best mma wrestlers the sport has to offer.

Okami - Out grappled munoz in their match, really showed how technical his grappling has become since training with sonnen.

Boestch - Once a 205er, drops to MW and ends up beating Okami. Though he won standing, he is still a great wrestler.

Weidman - Though he looked drained and gassed vs okami, his match with munoz will bring alot to light.

Sheilds - Moved back up to his natural weight class, will be interesting to see how he performs.

Evans - Said he's looking to move down. Alot of interesting matches for him.



What do you guys think?

LOL.DMH 07-11-2012 10:26 AM

Agreed, would be pretty excited to see Rashad drop down. I think with his size and explosiveness he gives anybody in the division problems, could definitely see him holding the belt.

Liddellianenko 07-11-2012 10:30 AM

EDIT: At first I thought yes, but then I looked at the facts and though nah, it's not so bad. There's Anderson, Belcher, Vitor, Marquardt, Wanderlei and Bisping at the top, and Cote, Le, Leben a bit further down.

Not quite like WW, which has only Condit, Kampmann, Alves and Hathaway and a bunch of wrestlers.

xxpillowxxjp 07-11-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko (Post 1603003)
Yeah it's like LHW during Chuck's reign but not quite as unbalanced. Besides Anderson, Belcher, Vitor and Bisping, all the other top guys are grapplers. You also forgot Lombard, he's got some bombs but his base skill is still Judo/BJJ.

All the other standup guys are fairly low in the ladder and there's not a lot of em. Cote, Le and Leben are the only ones that come to mind.

agreed.

Only thing i'd like to add is Silva has a great guard and bisping is one hard dude to keep down. So they are both great gapplers, they just use it defensively

El Bresko 07-11-2012 11:06 AM

I'd be interested in seeing Shields fight Anderson..

but only so I can compare it to Shields VS GSP.

xxpillowxxjp 07-11-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MRBRESK (Post 1603017)
I'd be interested in seeing Shields fight Anderson..

but only so I can compare it to Shields VS GSP.

Wouldn't be a very accurate comparison imo.

Sheilds' striking is too elementary to face anderson. Probably rd1 KO or another maia performance.

Liddellianenko 07-11-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xxpillowxxjp (Post 1603006)
agreed.

Only thing i'd like to add is Silva has a great guard and bisping is one hard dude to keep down. So they are both great gapplers, they just use it defensively

Well at that level pretty much everyone is multi-dimensional so I think you could say that for pretty much everyone.

You'd probably have to look at what they're best at or use more to categorize them as standup/grappler.

osmium 07-11-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko (Post 1603033)
Well at that level pretty much everyone is multi-dimensional so I think you could say that for pretty much everyone.

You'd probably have to look at what they're best at or use more to categorize them as standup/grappler.

Kampmann might be a better grappler than he is a striker.

No_Mercy 07-11-2012 12:04 PM

One point to look at is the demographic of the UFC. It's an American based organization, but a globalized sport. That's why there are tons of wrestlers. The current talent pool are division one wrestlers transitioning into MMA.

Cage Rage - I can't remember seeing too many wrestlers.

Pride or Dream - Tons of Japanese fighters some with wrestling background.

Jungle Fights - Pretty much all Brazillian cards.

TKO - mostly striking

At this point all fighters including current champions understand the importantance of learning grappling techniques. It's great to see that they're capable of winning without specializing in it though.

The Iceman laid out the blueprint not long ago.

xxpillowxxjp 07-12-2012 12:05 AM

Weidman just showed how great of a grappler he truely is


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