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Old 07-11-2012, 04:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The only difference is chael is a free style wrestler while jones prefers olympic/greco roman wrestling.

It would be very interesting to see though. Jones doesn't like being on the inside but to get silva down, thats what you have to do. We also saw the success machida had standing with jones, which raises questions about how he would deal with silva.

I still wanna see jones face machida again :P
Uh. Actually Sonnen is a Greco Roman wrestler. He has wrestled freestyle and has a viciouse double leg, but most of his wrestling accomplishments are in Greco Roman.

With Jones range and with the leverage he would have over Silva. I think Jon Jones would beat Silva easily.
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Uh. Actually Sonnen is a Greco Roman wrestler. He has wrestled freestyle and has a viciouse double leg, but most of his wrestling accomplishments are in Greco Roman.

With Jones range and with the leverage he would have over Silva. I think Jon Jones would beat Silva easily.
If Jones can't find a way to get a hold of Silva then it could be trouble. With all the strange kicks and spinning moves Jones puts out... Silva would be prime for a counter punch.

That's about the only way I see Silva winning.
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O well, its for the best...AS would destroy him anyway and hes simply to old to be champ of 2 divisions^^
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If Jones can't find a way to get a hold of Silva then it could be trouble. With all the strange kicks and spinning moves Jones puts out... Silva would be prime for a counter punch.

That's about the only way I see Silva winning.
Jones has a massive reach. He can throw anything and have enough time to get out of the way of a counter. And if Sonnen can get his hands on Silva Im sure Jones can. The difference would be that Jone has so much leverage with his length that stopping his TD would be very difficult. Jones has ragdolled some big LHWs such as Bonner. Plus he has taken some LHWs with really good wrestling such as Hamil, Vlady and Vera down with ease.
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I don't really have a huge interest in this fight as their size and age gap is a little too much for my liking.

It sorta feeds the skill vs athleticism questions but I'm not really interested in either of this fighters dropping their first loss (for Silva in the UFC) on a fan fight. It sort of takes away some of their mystic in their own divisions.

Anderson has everything to lose and really not a lot to gain. I believe Jones has more to gain and less to lose but really not worth it IMO.
I really hate when people dismiss Jon Jones' skills like that (Or overlook Silva's own athleticism, which is ahead of most in the UFC IMO.)

Obviously the man is not on Silva's level as a striker, but he is elite, and he's better at it every time he enters the cage. He's already shown an ability to figure his opponents out during the fight which is pretty rare, and has in fact been one of the main factors that set Silva apart from all the rest for so long.

And that's just the striking department. Jones is also arguably the best MMA wrestler in the UFC, and one of the best of all time. His top game is devastating, and if that's not enough he also happens to be an outstanding submission grappler.

But for some people he's still just the big jock with the long limbs.
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Jones has a massive reach. He can throw anything and have enough time to get out of the way of a counter. And if Sonnen can get his hands on Silva Im sure Jones can. The difference would be that Jone has so much leverage with his length that stopping his TD would be very difficult. Jones has ragdolled some big LHWs such as Bonner. Plus he has taken some LHWs with really good wrestling such as Hamil, Vlady and Vera down with ease.
I keep looking at the Machida fight as a reference to judge Jone's striking ability. Given that Anderson is a much better and powerful striker than Machida, it really comes down to can Jones take him down? In a stand up battle no doubt in my mind Silva will beat him.

It really comes down if Jon Jones takes him down can he finish him.
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Anderson has everything to lose and really not a lot to gain. I believe Jones has more to gain and less to lose but really not worth it IMO.
It's rather the opposit I'd say. Silva if losing (which is not really sure) could have it as his retirement fight and passing of the torch. Nobody would blame him to lose against the new dominant rising star. Jones on the other hand has quite something to lose if he loses against and old fighter who is close to retirement.
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Uh. Actually Sonnen is a Greco Roman wrestler. He has wrestled freestyle and has a viciouse double leg, but most of his wrestling accomplishments are in Greco Roman.

With Jones range and with the leverage he would have over Silva. I think Jon Jones would beat Silva easily.
uh actually bro, even though sonnen has accomplishments in greco roman, he doesn't fully apply it to MMA.

Greco roman takedowns 90% of the time come from the clinch. (Jon Jones). Free style wrestling is shooting in. (Sonnen) In MMA terms atleast.
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To keep in mind, Silva is a Judo black belt. Judo, take away the Gi, has pretty similar TD approaches to Greco-Roman. So he would be much more familiar with Jones's TD attemps than with Sonnen's.
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wow he says he is looking to achieve personal greatness, but he wont fight A.Silva even though a win over him would pretty much get him GOAT status at only 25... if you really want to be great you have to fight the greatest...

if i were in jones position i would be begging for this fight, i would even be trash talking silva like sonnen did just so he would want to move up to 205. i mean JBJ has nothing to lose, he is too young to honestly think a loss to silva is going to somehow devestate his career..

he says its a lose lose situation but its actually a win win win situation, hopefully this is all a ploy to make both fighters seem reluctant, so that dana will fork out some heavy dough to actually make it happen

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