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SM33 07-13-2012 12:25 PM

Ref Josh Rosenthal Acknowledges Late Stoppage in Mark Munoz TKO Loss
 
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Jul 13, 2012 - Referees are often the brunt of criticism for their split-second decisions, but rarely do they publicly voice any post-fight opinion on their own performances. Even rarer is the situation when one admits a mistake. Usually, they simply leave their work as its own argument, leaving us to form our own conclusions.

That makes what Josh Rosenthal did this week all the more respectable. Less than one day after refereeing the Chris Weidman vs. Mark Munoz main event at UFC on FUEL 4, Rosenthal admitted what many had said: that he let the fight go on too long, and let Munoz take too many unnecessary blows.

Just about a minute and a half into the second round, Weidman dropped Munoz with a standing elbow strike and then rode him to the mat where he unloaded with a barrage of 17 punches. The entire sequence from start to finish took only about eight seconds, but many felt Rosenthal could have stepped in much earlier to save Munoz from taking unanswered strikes. Count him among his own critics.

"I came home and I watched it, and I was kind of like you know, if I was sitting here, watching this on the couch, I probably would have been talking smack about myself," he said on SiriusXM's Tapout Radio show.

Rosenthal went on to say he was "slow on the trigger" and let the fight go on a few punches too long.

That mirrors the complaints about the stoppage that flooded in right upon the bout's conclusion. On the FUEL TV post-fight show, UFC president Dana White was clearly angered, asking, "How can you be standing like this, looking down at a guy getting hammered like that and not think the fight needs to be stopped?"

It's a question we all wondered at the time, and Rosenthal says it's a fair one. He noted that given the potential stakes involved in a bout between two top 10 contenders and all the time the fighters put into preparing, he tries to offer each man every opportunity to continue. And in that particular mind set, he elected to give Munoz a bit longer than normal to defend himself. In hindsight, he admitted, it was simply too long.

Rosenthal was memorably the referee when Dan Henderson and Mauricio "Shogun" Rua fought at UFC 139, a fight which won him acclaim for allowing it continue to the final horn despite dominant stretches by both men at various stages of the fight. So he does have first-hand experience watching fighters rebound from seemingly disastrous situations, but this time, he says, he waited a little too long in seeing if the same kind of situation materialized. And in a refreshing move, he's standing up to take responsibility for it.

"I always say accountability is a huge part of the sport, and you are accountable for your actions," he said. "I feel like I was just a little slow on the trigger [Wednesday]. I don't want to see guys take unnecessary punishment. It's a rough sport. Everyone knows what they sign in for, but it's a millisecond-basis game. You're making choices right there on the spot, and in the heat of the moment, I felt like I was seeing some stuff. In hindsight, I have to step my game up and make sure I'm on point for the next guys."
This guy means well, everyone makes mistakes.

http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/...munoz-tko-loss

demoman993 07-13-2012 01:16 PM

Its a very fine line that a ref has to balance between being incompetent or being heralded as one of the best in the business. We all absolutely hate early stoppages and refs who shall remain unnamed ....... take some serious heat for those stoppages.

Think about Brock vs. Carwin, Nog vs. Mir, Hendo vs. Shogun. Any of those fights could have easily been stopped earlier and we likely wouldn't have complained but we ended up getting dramatically different results.

I give him props for manning up and admitting his mistake. Now that he's done that he's going to have to be really sharp so he doesn't make this mistake again or overcompensate and stop a fight early.

Neal 07-13-2012 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by demoman993 (Post 1604088)
I give him props for manning up and admitting his mistake.

This. He needs to be more observant and on his feet next time.

ACTAFOOL 07-13-2012 01:22 PM

Hes my fav ref, so he made one mistake hes had many great calls! I like him because hes one of the few refs nowadays that actually gives the fighter taking a beating a chance to fight back

Sure that was a bad call but still its part of the sport, i loved how pride let te fights go longer, many times it was too long but still nowadyas too many refs stop the figh to early IMO...like the sonnen and AS fight, im not saying it was a bad call because sonnen was all turtled up BUT that was a huge fight, the ref could have waited some more. There were times that the ref could have stopped lesnar and carwin but look how that turned out

Kongo vs barry, shogun vs henderson, maynard vs edgar, mir vs big nog, theres a shit ton of fights where guys come back and its really annoying when a fighter is given 1 or 2 seconds to get back into the fight or the ref stops it

osmium 07-13-2012 06:00 PM

He was over ten punches too slow that isn't a little slow on the trigger.

MikeHawk 07-13-2012 06:06 PM

Well, let's just move on and hope he does a better job in the future.

I mean, it's not like there's any high profile referee that hasn't made a fairly big mistake these days.

SM33 07-13-2012 06:08 PM

But had Munoz sat up and managed to scramble into a better position, Rosenthal would be praised for great refereeing.

Josh has the right idea, he's trying to let the fight be as natural as possible and not put a stoppage loss on a guy's record without being certain the fight should stop. They all make mistakes, and at the time of the fight the fighters appreciate being given a chance.

Maybe they won't in twenty years, but they know what they signed up for.

ACTAFOOL 07-13-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SM33 (Post 1604210)
But had Munoz sat up and managed to scramble into a better position, Rosenthal would be praised for great refereeing.

Josh has the right idea, he's trying to let the fight be as natural as possible and not put a stoppage loss on a guy's record without being certain the fight should stop. They all make mistakes, and at the time of the fight the fighters appreciate being given a chance.

Maybe they won't in twenty years, but they know what they signed up for.

Thank you! Enough bitching jeez its MMA!!...you know who else isnt bitching about a late stoppage? Munoz! At least this way the fights are more decisive, it was a late, but not THAT late my god...better than an early stoppage IMO

deadmanshand 07-13-2012 06:30 PM

So how does this acknowledgement help Munoz relearn math?

Sports_Nerd 07-13-2012 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ACTAFOOL (Post 1604225)
Thank you! Enough bitching jeez its MMA!!...you know who else isnt bitching about a late stoppage? Munoz! At least this way the fights are more decisive, it was a late, but not THAT late my god...better than an early stoppage IMO

I couldn't give less of a shit about Munoz's opinion, he's already brain-damaged.

Seriously now, shmucks on the internet bitching about early stoppages<<<<<<<<Permanent damage to a fighter.

Rosenthal screwed up, and he screwed up bad.


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