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post #31 of 53 (permalink) Old 07-15-2012, 06:18 AM
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While this complaining is completely unneccesary i can kinda see where his coming from. When Tito can do without TRT, surely Griffin could have done it without it. NIot a codtor or a specialist with TRT though.

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I'll be ok with TRT when the legal levels aren't 6 times the "average" ratio.

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I swore Tito was a known GH user throughout his career.
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Uh, how so?

KRY asked a bunch of questions regarding TRT and you respond with this? not even sure how this has anything to do with what he said. Love you bro but you confuse me sometimes it's like you just respond too fast or something lol.
Maybe i missread it then.

I thought he was saying that testosterone is a steroid hormone. So in that sense every male who has testosterone is on steroids...

Shouldnt be that confusing...

My main point even though it was no where to be found in that post. Is that comparing TRT users to "steroid" users is kind of an injustice. I realize all steroids is derived from the testosterone molecule BUT there is more to it then that.


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I'll be ok with TRT when the legal levels aren't 6 times the "average" ratio.
They should have a better testing then just a T/E ratio test. Its not very accurate. Someone can have low Estrogen and all of the sudden itl make his testosterone look high.

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Tito should have siphoned some testosterone out of Jenna's vagina.
There ya go, I bet she has a higher testosterone level than Tito.. lol.
( I thought it was funny bro)
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I'll be ok with TRT when the legal levels aren't 6 times the "average" ratio.
There has to be a margin for variance. Guys can have higher or lower Test through diets, training, genetics, etc. Plus estrogen fluctuations in your system can throw off all of your ratios as it causes a response and a hormone shift.

Also, keep in mind that Test can vary seemingly widely in the number, while not making too much of a difference.

Example: A normal male's Test can be anywhere from 250 to 850. On either number you're considered normal, not making such a big difference.

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I thought he was saying that testosterone is a steroid hormone. So in that sense every male who has testosterone is on steroids...
Not what I meant at all. Just because Testosterone is produced naturally within the human body, it does not mean that pumping in additional testosterone isn't using steroids. A legal steroid is still a steroid.

I'm not saying the use of TRT is akin to hardcore anabolic juicing. It can, however, if used in excess, greatly enhance a fighters ability.

I'm on the side where if you have to boost your T levels in order to be competitive in a sport, then you shouldn't be in that sport. Either everyone does TRT, or no one does. A level playing field is what I'd (naively) want to see.
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It's simple man, if you are using something that you shouldn't be using then you are cheating. Arguing for it and supporting the use of TRT is clouding the water of MMA. MMA is pure and simple, two men enter and one wins. There should be no steroids in this sport, period.



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Not what I meant at all. Just because Testosterone is produced naturally within the human body, it does not mean that pumping in additional testosterone isn't using steroids. A legal steroid is still a steroid.

I'm not saying the use of TRT is akin to hardcore anabolic juicing. It can, however, if used in excess, greatly enhance a fighters ability.

I'm on the side where if you have to boost your T levels in order to be competitive in a sport, then you shouldn't be in that sport. Either everyone does TRT, or no one does. A level playing field is what I'd (naively) want to see.
You didnt mean that testosterone is a steroid hormone??? Thats weird since thats what you exactly said....


Why would everyone do testosterone when their levels are already at the normal levels???

Well then youd be surprised how many supplements you would consider a steroid.

Steroids are derived from the steroid molecule BUT thats alot different then trt. TRT users are not steroid users.
But thats my opinion and each his own.

If you want even playing fields then you gotta look at everything and not just trt.

What about when some peoples bodies produce more natural testostrone then others???
Thats not an even playing field.
What about when your genetically gifted like Jon Jones. Thats not playing on an even playing field. I guess we could add Melvin Guillard speed in that category. Some people have fast twitching muscle fibers and some dont.

If your asking for an even playing field then people using testosterone to get to the "NORMAL" levels is the closes you are going to get to it. They just need to increase the testing so no one abuses it. And Dana White said he is working on that so there we go.

But technically speaking there will never be a completely even playing field. Nature has a way of randomly screwing some people. The way i see it TRT can fix some of those mistakes. Ofcourse abusing TRT is a different story and im against also. Unless everyone can abuse it.... then im for it.

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Not what I meant at all. Just because Testosterone is produced naturally within the human body, it does not mean that pumping in additional testosterone isn't using steroids. A legal steroid is still a steroid.

I'm not saying the use of TRT is akin to hardcore anabolic juicing. It can, however, if used in excess, greatly enhance a fighters ability.

I'm on the side where if you have to boost your T levels in order to be competitive in a sport, then you shouldn't be in that sport. Either everyone does TRT, or no one does. A level playing field is what I'd (naively) want to see.
War is so special about testoserone and having treatment to get u in the safe levels as slides to any other medicine.

For example I have low thyroid levels and have to take medication to get it within the normal range should I not be able to compete because of this?

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