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Old 07-16-2012, 11:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Does anyone know if the tests are going to be random? I'm not accusing either fighter of using PEDs, but random testing is the only way anyone is going to get caught. If we're setting an example, it should be the right one.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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If Penn is SO against PED's then there shouldn't be an issue with releasing it pre fight. If it happens after the fight there is either no punishment for the doper or significantly less punishment since he gets paid, gets bonuses for the fight, etc. I can understand not wanting to risk the fight being off but that is what you have to do if you want to clean up the sport.
Like he has done in his recent fights this sounds more like he is using this as a fall-back plan if he loses the fight. If Rory tests positive he can say he lost because it wasn't a fair fight.

If BJ is really interested in doing what's best for the sport he would agree to let the results be released prior to the fight. I think fighters would think twice about cheating if they knew they would be exposed before the fight and lose out on the payday. Look at Nate Marquardt, he screwed over the UFC right before his fight and he hasn't been back since.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I can see both sides here. Of course the fighters/UFC don't want to lose a fight last-minute due to drug test results as that costs boatloads.

However, from a safety standpoint, it does nothing for the well-being of the fighters to release the results after one participant has already been put in danger by fighting a roided up opponent.
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Well. If Rory has nothing to hide he should do it. Otherwise there will be people who suspect something. There already are some who are suspect of Rory and roids.
You didn't read the article, did you?

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Does anyone know if the tests are going to be random? I'm not accusing either fighter of using PEDs, but random testing is the only way anyone is going to get caught. If we're setting an example, it should be the right one.
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According to VADA's bylaws, "Professional athletes will volunteer to be subject to unannounced testing at any time during the eight weeks prior to a scheduled fight.
As for the issue itself, Penn is 100% correct. There are obvious benefits to releasing the results before the fight, but VADA are a third party being brought in by the fighters. They basically insist that fighters who volunteer to use their services put their employers business at risk to do so. That is unreasonable, and fighters can't be expected to comply with such a policy. If it was the UFC itself doing the testing or bringing VADA in to do them then by all means, publish the result before the fight.

And I lose more and more respect for Dr Benjamin every time his name comes up.

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Old 07-16-2012, 02:16 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Has anybody, ever, tested positive on their A sample, only to find out their B sample was clean?

Or something like that?

Maybe come up with an explanation that is legit?

That is the main reason I would think it would be good to post results AFTER the fight.

Lets say a mistake is done by VADA 2 weeks before the fight, that is a lot of stress on a fighter.
I actually have ZERO knowledge about how accurate testing is so maybe there is only an extremely low % that get reversed?

Does anybody know?

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Has anybody, ever, tested positive on their A sample, only to find out their B sample was clean?

Or something like that?

Maybe come up with an explanation that is legit?

That is the main reason I would think it would be good to post results AFTER the fight.

Lets say a mistake is done by VADA 2 weeks before the fight, that is a lot of stress on a fighter.
I actually have ZERO knowledge about how accurate testing is so maybe there is only an extremely low % that get reversed?

Does anybody know?

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anybody?
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:54 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Well. If Rory has nothing to hide he should do it. Otherwise there will be people who suspect something. There already are some who are suspect of Rory and roids.
If by some you mean one person on this message board than you are correct.

Rory has never tested positive. The only indicators for that one person are muscle growth from 18-23 years old (CRAZY SHOCKER!!!) and bacne (PROOF POSITIVE!!!).
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:53 AM   #18 (permalink)
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i will have to disagree. one priory thing about drug test is to ensure that the fight is fair and safe, especially the latter. It’s true that releasing the test result before the fight busted the jds-overeem bout(potentially the best hw standup fight in the decay). But what if overeem severely hurt jds so jds would have to retire?We simply can not give away safety in exchange for ppv sales.
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I see it both ways. After the fight is good admit doesn't scrap fights like JDS/Overeem. Tis is just an example and not at all what I think would happen. But what of Overeem beat JDS senseless? I mean battered and dominated JDS and then it turns out he popped the test after. People would be in such a rage about it. It would just lead to an amazingly huge controversy, possibly larger than if it had been released before the fight.
People wouldnt care nearly as much as you think.


And what are people talking about safety??

Roids dont turn a person into the incredible hulk. If the REF does his job then there isnt any increase in "danger".
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Drug results released after would be a huge liability.

Someone gets beaten really severely or possibly killed and then it turns out after the fact that his opponent was loaded up with drugs.
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