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Old 08-12-2012, 03:35 AM   #91 (permalink)
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I know some of you love mma, and claim to know a lot about wrestling but the fact is Shane Carwin would murder Anderson via gnp. Carwin is 265 pounds, he would grab Anderson and drag him down via Fitch hugging. The idea that Anderson could survive Carwin taking him down is beyond delusional, it's insane. Carwin is not a contender anymore no, yes his gameplan is predictable but there's nothing a 220 pound Anderson can do against a 265 pound wrestler that takes horse steroids hanging on to him and dragging him down, nothing. It's been proven more than once that you can survive against Anderson if you don't stand in front of him and drive through him.

Technique doesn't overcome the most significant strength differential possible. Nobody has more brute strength than Carwin and Andy could not get out of being held on to via technique. The arguments you guys are making are fairytale fantasyland, even more comical is you are insulting me for not going along with it. Anderson's mystique has clearly taken you all beyond the realm of logic, yeah Andy could win against some of the HW's that are strikers, lots of them, but none of the top 5. Just look at what happened to guys like Fedor or Randy who so completely outclassed their larger opponents in guys like Bigfoot and Lesnar respectively yet still got beaten by being mauled by physically superior opponents. Anderson's striking looks fantastic against guys who stand flatfooted in front of him, not so much against high level wrestlers with 40 pounds on him. This is all considering Anderson is clearly the best mma fighter and all around striker ever, that doesn't help him stop takedown from guys way bigger than him.

The difference in striking ability between Carwin (average) and Anderson (elite) is comparable to the difference between Randy (slightly more than average) and Lesnar (abysmal), same goes for Fedor and Bigfoot
Question, I get what your saying and it does make sense, however don't you think with Silva's significant speed advantage wouldn't it be difficult for Carwin? If Silva runs/moves around how does Carwin approach it?
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:24 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Question, I get what your saying and it does make sense, however don't you think with Silva's significant speed advantage wouldn't it be difficult for Carwin? If Silva runs/moves around how does Carwin approach it?
All he does is head down charge until he grabs one arm or a leg. There's no way Anderson could avoid being touched for 5 minutes straight, Anderson has fast hands and extremely fast head movement. His lateral movement isn't enough to avoid getting grabbed though.

This is bearing in mind of course that Anderson is the greatest of all time and he deserves all the respect in the world even if he can be a little too cocky sometimes, if a plodding guy like Fitch can hug people to victory Anderson would be screwed against the strongest guy in the UFC. Against guys like Struve, Barry or Kongo Anderson would probably annihilate them because he could counter their mediocre striking so easily. Against the wrestlers or JDS the gap is too much, hell I'd even give him a chance against Overeem because he uses that head up plodding style that Anderson does so well against. Fact is we all know Anderson's weakness is getting taken down by wrestlers and people are arguing he'd beat the strongest one in the UFC. Anderson vs. Jones, now that would be a fight worth watching.

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Old 08-12-2012, 11:43 PM   #93 (permalink)
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I know some of you love mma, and claim to know a lot about wrestling but the fact is Shane Carwin would murder Anderson via gnp.
Nope.

We'll never know.

But I think Silva KOs him in the first with one shot while walking backwards. Carwin is just too slow and while he would have 40+ lbs on Silva, he'd just never get his hands on Silva.

But like I said, we'll never know, because now Silva's threatening to move DOWN in weight (lolwut) instead of up like every dominant fighter in history has done after clearing our their division.

I don't think Anderson will actually move down, I don't think he can make 170 anymore. He'll probably just stay at MW and keep crushing everyone with ease.

And if Cawin 'head down charges' he eats an uppercut and gets KOd even faster.
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Anderson can knock out guys that plod forward with their chins up (Okami, Leben, Belfort, Griffin) he can not knock out wrestlers that charge with their heads down. He never has, he never will, he is not an uppercut master.

He is the master of straight punches, people with their heads down and their hands up don't get knocked out by straight punches, helps to you know, know anything about fighting. Anderson Silva is the most accurate straight puncher around, that's why he can knock out people like Griffin with a light jab while stepping back. You square up to Anderson you are screwed, you charge at him head down he has to either clinch or get away.

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I've never facepalmed so many times reading a thread.

Anderson would get his shit pushed in by most.


He'd lose power and speed(he's already not even that fast) and wouldn't be anywhere close to being as strong as the natural HWs.

JDS would destroy him on the feet and Barnett would have his way with him on the ground. same with Carwin.


This is almost as bad as the time BobbyCooper said GSP could beat Jones(this was before he turned into a complete troll)

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Old 08-13-2012, 03:56 AM   #96 (permalink)
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We all agree that Anderson is better than Shogun on the feet right? They have different body types so size difference is hard to tell.

I think he would beat Mark Hunt, Cheick Kongo, JDS, Carwin or any other HW that decided to strike with him or couldn't get him down. I don't think any of those guys are faster than Vitor, and Vitor couldn't land anything on him.

Here is a vid of Anderson sparring Big Nog, he can hold his own in there with a 240lb guy.
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Reading stuff like "he'd destroy Struve" surprise me. There is a tremendous difference of power behind moves at MW and HW. Silva has great kicks, but trust me when i say the guys Struve is used to getting kicked by have vastly more weight & muscle behind every move than Silva's body would ever allow him to produce. And trust me when i say Silva's NEVER been kicked as hard as Struve can - not in training, and definately not in the ring. Not to mention some of the most powerfull weapons of Silva, headkicks... well, he's not gonna reach, is he? While Struve barely needs to lift his leg to reach Silva's head.
And if it goes to the ground, the same thing applies - Silva has the better technique, but Struve's game is at a high enough level that the gap in raw strenght would allow him to power out of anything Silva could throw at him, and we've all seen Struve submit heavyweights, recently breaking an arm like a twig. I'm confident his technique is at a high enough level that if he can lock on a submission he can finish it through raw strenght, despite Silva's superior technique. Struve isn't a 1990's striker who'se never seen a submission before.
People have been wishing Silva to step up to LIGHT heavyweight for a long time now, particularely now in the Jones era, but he's too smart to do that. He KNOWS the bigger his opponent, the less likely his superior technique compared to anyone on the planet will enable him to dominate the contest, especially in today's MMA game where anyone at top level knows how to defend against the techniques that would have allowed Silva to contest at heavyweight 20 years ago. Any succesfull technique is a combination of strenght and technique. To put random numbers on it: at middleweight silva's technique is at 140while the second best is at 100, and silva's physical prowness is at 80 while the best is at 100. At light HW those numbers shift to 140/100 vs 65/100, at HW to 140/100 vs 50/100.
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Reading stuff like "he'd destroy Struve" surprise me. There is a tremendous difference of power behind moves at MW and HW. Silva has great kicks, but trust me when i say the guys Struve is used to getting kicked by have vastly more weight & muscle behind every move than Silva's body would ever allow him to produce. And trust me when i say Silva's NEVER been kicked as hard as Struve can - not in training, and definately not in the ring. Not to mention some of the most powerfull weapons of Silva, headkicks... well, he's not gonna reach, is he? While Struve barely needs to lift his leg to reach Silva's head.
And if it goes to the ground, the same thing applies - Silva has the better technique, but Struve's game is at a high enough level that the gap in raw strenght would allow him to power out of anything Silva could throw at him, and we've all seen Struve submit heavyweights, recently breaking an arm like a twig. I'm confident his technique is at a high enough level that if he can lock on a submission he can finish it through raw strenght, despite Silva's superior technique. Struve isn't a 1990's striker who'se never seen a submission before.
Struve.. the same guy that used his reach magnificently against the appropriately sized HW Roy Nelson wouldn't get KOed by Anderson?......... oh yeah, tell me more about the wings on the warthog.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:34 PM   #99 (permalink)
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Anderson is taller, has longer reach, and is way more skilled in virtually every area than Roy Nelson. Roy Nelson is in the 5-10 range at HW. Do the math. HW is a terribly shallow division.
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Omg.... I'm just dumbfounded by the internet warriors. Jds threw everything at Carwin & couldn't jp him. Do you remember what Carwin did to mir in the clinch? That's what would happen! You guys act like this is a game of street fighter on xbox or something. Anderson is the most mesmerizing striker there is, he's the GOAT! if it was a boxing match & its 12rds then he may have a chance to dance & stay away but this is mma & only so much room in the cage. Journeyman okami got Silva in the clinch & Carwin would eventually get him & the first time he did he would hurt Anderson. BADLY!

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