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Old 08-02-2012, 05:09 PM   #21 (permalink)
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No, it's not unreasonable, but that would be in first place a problem if his opponents at HW were as fast and nimble as his opponents at MW, but they aren't. They are much slower already. So even if Silva becomes slower, the gap in speed, nimbleness and timing between him and his opponents remains the same or would even be bigger against the heavier HWs.

The only question is, how he would put on that weight to fight at HW.
Would it be a straw-man to submit that there are a number of reasons AS doesn't want to fight Jon Jones, and a big one of those reasons is likely the size and strength differential?

AS just isn't a HW. Would he be a dynamic/effective LHW? I think we can all agree that the answer is yes.

But I don't think his body at HW would allow him to do the things that make him successful at MW, and I don't think he would be able to get himself out from under any of the good wrestlers/grapplers at HW.
Unlike Sonnen, the top dogs at HW pack a helluva wallop- one or two would be all it would take.

It's a fun coversation, though.

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Would it be a straw-man to submit that there are a number of reasons AS doesn't want to fight Jon Jones, and a big one of those reasons is likely the size and strength differential?

AS just isn't a HW. Would he be a dynamic/effective LHW? I think we can all agree that the answer is yes.

But I don't think his body at HW would allow him to do the things that make him successful at MW, and I don't think he would be able to get himself out from under any of the good wrestlers/grapplers at HW.
Unlike Sonnen, the top dogs at HW pack a helluva wallop- one or two would be all it would take.

It's a fun coversation, though.

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None of the UFC's top HWs are especially long fighters. Bones' reach is ridiculous. Struve is 6'11 and only has 3 inches longer reach than Andy.

Fact of the matter is, Anderson was the same size as Forrest in their fight (that's a lot bigger than 210 Roflcopter, can you get a source?) and Forrest could easily be a HW. Joey Beltran just made the cut to 205 and he was smaller than Te-Huna.

Fact also is if JDS, Overeem and Hunt didn't take him down they'd probably all get KOed.

The top dogs do possess good punching power but if Vitor can't land anything on you then what the **** is Roy Nelson gonna do?
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:06 PM   #23 (permalink)
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It's a fun coversation, though.
To not take the discussions too serious and hence not to be tempted to any name calling makes a good ambiance in which it's always good to discuss. I appreciate that very much

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Would it be a straw-man to submit that there are a number of reasons AS doesn't want to fight Jon Jones, and a big one of those reasons is likely the size and strength differential?
I would say it's either the whole Jones package and primarily his reach (which is the same as Struve's, who lacks Jones' skills, while Silva has about the same reach as most of the HWs and even a slightly longer reach than Dos Santos). Reach plays an important role in Silva's counterstrike approach. And there is more or less no one at HW that poses the same threat P4P-wise as Jones. Or Silva likes Jones, sees the future of (L)HW MMA in him and doesn't want to make him stumble in his young career (conspiracy theory)

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AS just isn't a HW. Would he be a dynamic/effective LHW? I think we can all agree that the answer is yes.

But I don't think his body at HW would allow him to do the things that make him successful at MW, and I don't think he would be able to get himself out from under any of the good wrestlers/grapplers at HW.
Unlike Sonnen, the top dogs at HW pack a helluva wallop- one or two would be all it would take..
That I already said: "I agree in that I think IF they get him down, they would cause him quite some trouble, BUT the question is, would a 265er be able to move his bodyweight fast enough to catch a 230 Silva¿ Dos Santos stops most of the take down attempts by just not being there anymore, because he has good distance management."
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The silly thing in most people's theories is that several of the top HWs have ALREADY LOST TO LIGHT HEAVYEWIGHTS AND LOWER.


Let alone Anderson ***ing Silva.


Let go off this stupid "HOHOH CHAEL WITH MORE POWER" shit.

Heavyweights suck.


Hunt taking Anderson down?


First of all, Hunt got KTFO in seconds by a Middleweight in Manhoef, and got outgrappled in submitted in a minute or two by a Light Heavyweight, so again, the idea that Anderson is going to lose to some of these guys JUST because he's a Middleweight is laughable.


Also, Anderson was nowhere near as big as Forrest in their fight, I seriously question people's ability to comprehend size other than just height. Forrest was much thicker and it wasn't even close.


And if you argue this point, I really have to question how absolutely ******* dense you can be.

This topic is not "Could Anderson win the HW title" because quite obviously JDS, Cain, Cormier and the likes should be favoured over him...after that...not so much.

Then you get down there to the 7-10 range which in HW standards is laughable and it's a joke to even suggest some of these guys belong in the same cage with a 215-220lb Anderson.
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It seems like during one of the countdown shows they said Anderson's walk around weight is around 220 lbs. With the right kind of nutrition and weight lifting routine you would think that he could slowly move from MW to LHW to HW. Although, with the success that he's had at MW and LHW one would have to question why he would even attempt it. I'd really like to see him at LHW to end his career, but I really don't see him doing it unless the cut to 185 becomes to hard with age (like Hendo).
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Forrest is like an inch taller but they are of a similar thickness. Nobody said Mark Hunt could get him down. I said Hunt, Overeem and JDS (the best HW strikers) would be better off trying to take him down and land heavy GnP, they'd all be outclassed on the feet. You might wanna work on those reading comprehension skills.
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Forrest is like an inch taller but they are of a similar thickness.
It might appear so on first glance, but they are not. Take a ruler or something alike and compare their thickness at their breast, belly and lower legs. It's just some millimeters (Aussies are metric right¿) on screen, but that makes centimeters in reality and that makes several kilograms difference.
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Forrest is noticeably much bigger in the lower body especially take a look at the thighs, calfs and shins....and Anderson, especially in live video is noticeably thin on his waste and lower upper torso area. Forrest also has bigger arms all around. They aren't the same size. Period.
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When it comes to striking Silva can definetly show his striking without any disadvantages beside power. The weight difference wouldnt be a factor in pure striking unless he is put on the cage or using MT clinch.

The weight difference has been nullified many times in K1 when watching elite 200lb guys beat elite 250lb+ guys. Look at Tyson in his HW prime, the guy was small but his speed was devastating.
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lol at Anderson knocking out JDS, you have got to be kidding. He took Carwin's shots and wasn't even scratched. Anderson Silva would get murdered at HW by anyone that can strike, JDS would corner him and ask him to quit so he doesn't have to break his face. Overeem would kick him once and he'd crumple into a ball. All due respect to AS, he's a MW. I could see a leg kick from Overeem completely sweeping his legs from underneath him. Anderson's advantage comes from his accuracy being able to knockout guys that don't have huge necks, anyone that can take a Carwin punch and not get knocked out would murder Anderson. Roy Nelson would grab him and pound him on the ground, Struve would just kick him. I could see him beating Pat Barry and that's it. GOAT at MW, he fought Forrest Griffin and a complete bum at LHW, whoopdee frikin doo.

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