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Old 08-03-2012, 04:10 AM   #41 (permalink)
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So now Anderson hits harder than Shane Carwin, wow, impressive

No but he's about 1000 times more accurate, in about 1000 times better shape, and has about 1000 times as many weapons.

If Shane Carwin could KO anyone, he would be the champ.

There's more to it than just KO power.

All Carwin has is power. He has the worst conditioning of probably any fighter ever. Including Tank Abbot.

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Old 08-03-2012, 04:21 AM   #42 (permalink)
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There are many ways to look at this scenario Silva fighting with his strengths and the size difference:

1.Any HW willing to strike with Silva is asking for Trouble
2. Any HW wrestler will give Anderson Silva trouble.


So with the right game plan he could lose, however he is talented enough to beat HW if their willing to strike with him. The question then becomes say a HW does take him down, would his Jujitsu be good enough to beat them?

It's really a toss up, I know size plays a huge factor, however the man is talented enough to beat anybody.

Fedor,Big Nog showed size really does not matter.

JDS not really a big HW has made dudes like Carwin,Nelson,Mir seem like amateurs.
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:30 AM   #43 (permalink)
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So now Anderson hits harder than Shane Carwin, wow, impressive
Actually, I believe he does. His technique is light years ahead of Carwins.

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Old 08-03-2012, 07:43 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Actually, I believe he does. His technique is light years ahead of Carwins.
Yep, it depends on the definition of "hard". Brute strength isn't everything. How many opponents has Carwin dropped with a jab (and that even walking backwards)¿
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Anderson is a perfect MMA middlewieght; his body and mind obviously respond about as well as anyone's can to that particular cut, and he enjoys an advantage in speed over most of the other guys in that division.

I have no idea what he would look like at HW, but I have to suspect he would be slower, his strikes wouldn't have the same effect, and he wouldn't be as powerful as the majority of the fighters up there.

Until I see him actually in the octagon at HW, I'm simply going to say AS at HW is unpossible, so the OP becomes mute.

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That's an interesting statement. After rewatching his LHW bouts I noticed his shots were twice as powerful and just as accurate. I could hear the thud in his punches. It's almost as if the 20lb weight gain gave him extra power.

I have reason to believe he will be just as effective, of course his speed will go down, but remember this he'll still be faster than all of the HWs.


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There are many ways to look at this scenario Silva fighting with his strengths and the size difference:

1.Any HW willing to strike with Silva is asking for Trouble
2. Any HW wrestler will give Anderson Silva trouble.


So with the right game plan he could lose, however he is talented enough to beat HW if their willing to strike with him. The question then becomes say a HW does take him down, would his Jujitsu be good enough to beat them?

It's really a toss up, I know size plays a huge factor, however the man is talented enough to beat anybody.

Fedor,Big Nog showed size really does not matter.

JDS not really a big HW has made dudes like Carwin,Nelson,Mir seem like amateurs.
Yep pretty much what I stated in the beginning of the thread.

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Actually, I believe he does. His technique is light years ahead of Carwins.

Cue calling me a bunch of juvenile names...
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:59 AM   #46 (permalink)
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How many of those guys are top 10? Bigfoot...

Lol at Kimbo Slice, you need a dose of reality you frikin nutjob, wow. Hendo knocked out an old Fedor therefore an old Anderson Silva will knockout a prime JDS, ok then bud, keep drinking that koolaid. hilarious calling me a fanboy, if anyone needs to get off anyone's nuts it's you and your fantasies with Anderson Silva. Some people are so far off the deep end, Anderson Silva is not superman, he can't beat up top 10 heavyweights in the UFC like Carwin, Cain or JDS, that's not reality, that's fantasy.

Anderson won't fight Jon Jones, a LHW with mediocre striking. Yeah he'll go fight the best HW's and knock em out, when did this forum become the Anderson Silva fantasy themepark?
Yes, because arbitrary ranking systems determine someone's punching resistance.


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Old 08-03-2012, 10:02 AM   #47 (permalink)
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How many of those guys are top 10? Bigfoot...

Lol at Kimbo Slice, you need a dose of reality you frikin nutjob, wow. Hendo knocked out an old Fedor therefore an old Anderson Silva will knockout a prime JDS, ok then bud, keep drinking that koolaid. hilarious calling me a fanboy, if anyone needs to get off anyone's nuts it's you and your fantasies with Anderson Silva. Some people are so far off the deep end, Anderson Silva is not superman, he can't beat up top 10 heavyweights in the UFC like Carwin, Cain or JDS, that's not reality, that's fantasy.

Anderson won't fight Jon Jones, a LHW with mediocre striking. Yeah he'll go fight the best HW's and knock em out, when did this forum become the Anderson Silva fantasy themepark?
Lol calm down, they're HWs not gods, its not so crazy to think the most accurate striker to ever step foot in the cage and already has good height and reach even for HWs he would do well

HWs look good against other HWs but the reality is HWs suck, they're the least skilled fighters, its not crazy at all to think some1 with andersons talent would do well against HWs, fedor did a great job and he wasnt big at all, neither was randy or cain for the matter

Would andy beat JDS? Probably not but in a striking match i would never count anderson out, i can see him matrixing JDS. But i wouldnt bet on anderson lol

Stil anderson would probably lose to the likes of cain, JDS, Cormier. But nelson? Carwin? Gonzaga, kongo, struve, mittrione, travis browne, pat barry, bigfoot, werdum, frank mir and big nog....you really think anderson couldnt beat them? Being big doesnt make you good, anderson would still have his footwork and speed advantage even though he would be slower...i dont see whats so impossible about him beating big dudes with good skill but nothing great (aside from werdum, frank and big nogs BJJ)
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:07 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Randy was a LHW. He iced one of the most accomplished HWs in Tim Sylvia and dominated him for the rest of the fight.

Dan Henderson has beaten several historically great HWs including Fedor and Nog.


I don't think anyone is shaking in their boots at the likes of Nelson and Carwin.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:12 AM   #49 (permalink)
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I guess what it boils down to for me is: we just have no idea what AS would look like at HW: if his movement would be affected; if his gas tank would be diminished; if his reflexes would be impaired by bulking up.
Any one of these, if compromised sufficiently, has the potential to render AS ineffective at fighting two weight divisions above where he normally fights.

It's completely reasonable to guess that AS could be a top10 HW based on what he's shown in his career, and on-paper comparisons with HW's, etc; just as it's completely reasonable to guess that he might not be, based on all the what-ifs/unknowns.

Let's not get all bent out of shape over it, though.

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Old 08-03-2012, 10:16 AM   #50 (permalink)
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He's already fought at LHW.

If you had any ability to think you'd realize that his in-octagon weight for his LHW fight would likely be the same as what he would fight at HW. Probably around 210-220lbs.

Much like King Mo(215) and Dan Henderson(208) when they fought at HW.



So no, he's not going to be a fat out of shape guy with no reflexes or speed.
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