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Old 08-04-2012, 05:11 AM   #81 (permalink)
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But I doubt silva has the power to ko cariwn. I mean hell if JDS couldn't do it.

The thing is people are looking at cawing for what they see in the highlight reel KOs however i am looking at what he could be. If he comes in fighting like he normally does then yeah silva will dance around make him look silly. However I am looking at him as a giant NCAA national champion wrestler. I think if he spends a training camp with a focus on wrestling and take downs he could take down silva and finish him.

It would be a different Carwin than we are use to seeing relying on wrestling footwork and power takedowns as opposed to wild power punches to end the fight in dramatic quick ko fashion.
Ok. So we agree. The existing Shane Carwin most likely doesn't have the tools to beat Silva. However he has the "potential" to beat him? I can agree. Everybody has the "potential" to do amazing things. Unfortunately Carwin is 37 and fought the same fight for years. He's not going to improve as you suggest.

I'm honestly not trying to troll you. I really do believe that Silva is capable of taking out all UFC HWs aside from JDS and Cain( not impossible though ). Cormier would also cause him big problems. It's not that I consider Silva that amazing ( although I do love him ). Just that I consider the HW division seriously lacking in skills and speed.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:55 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:53 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Ok. So we agree. The existing Shane Carwin most likely doesn't have the tools to beat Silva. However he has the "potential" to beat him? I can agree. Everybody has the "potential" to do amazing things. Unfortunately Carwin is 37 and fought the same fight for years. He's not going to improve as you suggest.

I'm honestly not trying to troll you. I really do believe that Silva is capable of taking out all UFC HWs aside from JDS and Cain( not impossible though ). Cormier would also cause him big problems. It's not that I consider Silva that amazing ( although I do love him ). Just that I consider the HW division seriously lacking in skills and speed.
Yeah I belive he has the skill set and the ability to beat silva if he fights the right way (wrestling takedown ground and pound use his size to over power silva) but he can't go in swinging wildly.

I think he could improve because I think that he has the wrestling skill inside and a good wresting came could bring those back out. Although it would look radically different the ability to fight that way wouldn't be too far out of his reach because of his past.

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Old 08-04-2012, 07:27 PM   #84 (permalink)
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I was wondering if Anderson Silva would be top 10 if he moved to heavyweight. I think it is realistic if he was to leave MW, but his manager says he may not be interested in that.

There was a proposed fight between him and Frank Mir, but Dana White says he first needs to fight at 205.

Would Anderson Silva be able to do it if he were to move up? reminder that Dan Henderson who Anderson beat at middleweight was able to beat Fedor and Noguiera who were top 10 at heavyweight
I've thought about this and I could argue both sides. He could easily get up to 225lbs and that's pretty close to some of the lighter HWs, but I don't think he could hang with top 10 HWs - he'd wind up on his back and would get overpowered with big boy GNP.
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So from what I've read most posters say he could beat some of the top 10's but not the likes of JDS, Cain and Carwin.

I wish Anderson would actually go to 205 and HW, other then GSP he doesnt have any business IMO in the lower weightclasses.
I think he should go to 205 and fight the likes of Jones, Shogun, Rashad etc. even if he loses I dont think it would diminish from his legendary career. He is also getting there in age, so I think he has to go up before hanging up.
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But I doubt silva has the power to ko cariwn. I mean hell if JDS couldn't do it.
Indeed, Dos Santos couldn't, but his punches are different to Silva's to KO his opponents. Dos Santos uses first multiple hard punches to pick his opponents apart and then finishes them with a couple of powerpunches. So he uses only his own power to KO his opponents. The beauty of Silva's striking on the other hand is that he is own of the rare fighters who actually is able to apply the martial arts principal of "using the opponents force against him". Do you really think that Silva's body strength is enough to knock his opponents down with a jab (i.e. Griffin, Okami), without any other variables in his striking equation¿ Silva doesn't punch like Dos Santos to inflict damage only with his own power (well, often he does also that, but not in those jab cases). He times the situation so well that he puts his forwards flying fist in the way of his opponents head which itself has forward momentum, because the opponent is just about to engage himself. That puts the power of Silva's jab in the equation (which isn't that much) PLUS the impulse of the opponent moving forward (mass * speed of the opponent). And as he times it so well that the opponent doesn't see the punch coming, it's like running blindly face first into a brick wall.

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The thing is people are looking at cawing for what they see in the highlight reel KOs however i am looking at what he could be. If he comes in fighting like he normally does then yeah silva will dance around make him look silly. However I am looking at him as a giant NCAA national champion wrestler. I think if he spends a training camp with a focus on wrestling and take downs he could take down silva and finish him.

It would be a different Carwin than we are use to seeing relying on wrestling footwork and power takedowns as opposed to wild power punches to end the fight in dramatic quick ko fashion.
As I wrote earlier, I agree that IF a HW wrestler takes Silva down, it will pose quite some trouble for Silva, but I think most of the HWs are to slow with their take down attempts (except Velasquez). Carwin may have been a good collegiate wrestler, but he didn't really translate it into his MMA game like Sonnen. And the difference is, in collegiate wrestling you have two guys who engage forwards into wrestling to put the other guy on his back, in particular in HW you have not many opportunities to train against opponents who don't engage but run away. So I guess it will be really hard for Carwin to make an improvement in this area.
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I know some of you love mma, and claim to know a lot about wrestling but the fact is Shane Carwin would murder Anderson via gnp. Carwin is 265 pounds, he would grab Anderson and drag him down via Fitch hugging. The idea that Anderson could survive Carwin taking him down is beyond delusional, it's insane. Carwin is not a contender anymore no, yes his gameplan is predictable but there's nothing a 220 pound Anderson can do against a 265 pound wrestler that takes horse steroids hanging on to him and dragging him down, nothing. It's been proven more than once that you can survive against Anderson if you don't stand in front of him and drive through him.

Technique doesn't overcome the most significant strength differential possible. Nobody has more brute strength than Carwin and Andy could not get out of being held on to via technique. The arguments you guys are making are fairytale fantasyland, even more comical is you are insulting me for not going along with it. Anderson's mystique has clearly taken you all beyond the realm of logic, yeah Andy could win against some of the HW's that are strikers, lots of them, but none of the top 5. Just look at what happened to guys like Fedor or Randy who so completely outclassed their larger opponents in guys like Bigfoot and Lesnar respectively yet still got beaten by being mauled by physically superior opponents. Anderson's striking looks fantastic against guys who stand flatfooted in front of him, not so much against high level wrestlers with 40 pounds on him. This is all considering Anderson is clearly the best mma fighter and all around striker ever, that doesn't help him stop takedown from guys way bigger than him.

The difference in striking ability between Carwin (average) and Anderson (elite) is comparable to the difference between Randy (slightly more than average) and Lesnar (abysmal), same goes for Fedor and Bigfoot

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Styles make fights, you'll always have the people who think they know what would happen but you never do really. I mean stepping up a WC could/would change his attributes, handspeed, accuracy, cardio etc. To speak in absolutes would just mean you make alot of assumptions.

I don't think he would be as dominant though.
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