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Old 08-03-2012, 04:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Shogun would be the tenacious one, came from a good beating to give a good beating, when the final bell rang Shogun walked away and Hendo was on his back.

Shogun lost the decision, but he was certainly the more determined fighter.
I hafta' disagree- both those guys were beasts in that fight.
Both appeared to be equally determined to beat the holy hell out of the other.

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Old 08-03-2012, 04:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The fight was called off before Shogun appeared to tap...

Name a Jon Jones fight where he has inflicted more damage over nearly 3 full rounds?

About the Hendo fight, it takes more heart to come back from a thrashing than to give one and get beat for two rounds.
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yeah sure he probably tapped to strikes in the Jones fight, but anyone that wants to question his heart and determination after the Henderson fight is just a hater.
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...we've seen Bonnar, Rashad and Davis take similar beatings but they fought to the end.
Hell, even Forrest, if we're using that definition of determined...
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I'm not going to look too much into this. I think Vera is just very appreciative of this chance, and when you are in that state of mind and humbled, appreciative, a person generally is more kind/complimentary than he would be if he had earned it and knew he deserved it.

I think he will fight this fight the same way he would regardless of how he got it, which is to survive by the best ability while having his face destroyed.
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I'm not going to look too much into this. I think Vera is just very appreciative of this chance, and when you are in that state of mind and humbled, appreciative, a person generally is more kind/complimentary than he would be if he had earned it and knew he deserved it.

I think he will fight this fight the same way he would regardless of how he got it, which is to survive by the best ability while having his face destroyed.
I tend to agree with the first part. This is a guy who knows he's in a hole, and knows he has a tough climb ahead of him if he ever wants to get out of it.

Not so sure about the second part. I favor Shogun, but I think Vera has a bigger chance than you give him credit for. Vera seems to be suffering from hype backlash. He was never as good as the UFC made him out to be, but he's not as bad as a lot of the fans seem to think he is either.
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I don't mean to question Shogun's heart. I just think Vera is building him up some in his own mind.

The main thing I got from this and other interviews is: Brandon Vera is clearly scared. But that is not necessarily a bad thing. Fear is very powerful. I'm barely capable of hurting someone unless I'm afraid. The more afraid I am the more I'm capable of. If Vera is like that then he just might fight the fight of his life.
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I tend to agree with the first part. This is a guy who knows he's in a hole, and knows he has a tough climb ahead of him if he ever wants to get out of it.

Not so sure about the second part. I favor Shogun, but I think Vera has a bigger chance than you give him credit for. Vera seems to be suffering from hype backlash. He was never as good as the UFC made him out to be, but he's not as bad as a lot of the fans seem to think he is either.
It's going to be interesting to see how Vera does, but the thing is he's been out for almost a year now, coming off 1 win and 3 losses, with his win being a decision of Eliot Marshal, he's not in an impressive area at all, that combined with his general skill level I see him getting steamrolled like a cartoon character.

I've seen stranger things of course, he might come out and do well, I just don't see it given where he is at in his career and his general skill level.

Hopefully I am wrong, as I'd like to see Vera thrown in the mix of top contenders and add a little more verity and spice to the division.
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I think that Vera has matured as a fighter. He has said it before himself, he changed as a fighter when he had to make a choice to either tap or keep fighting for his career. He admires shogun for his determination and willingness to put it all on the line. He is not open about it, but I think that he acknowledges that he has quit before in fights and he is determined to not do it again.
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Shogun is 4-4 in the UFC.

Two of those losses are contentious decisions, one he has avenged in brutal fashion.

One was a stoppage where he got exhausted after dominating the first two rounds, and he avenged that in brutal fashion as well.

It's a bummer.

Those two decisions go his way and he'd still be considered in the top 2 or 3 fighters of all time.

Wins over 6 former UFC Champs, 2 wins over the Strikeforce HW champ, and he was in arguably the greatest single fight of all time with Dan Henderson.

Oh well. Internet gonna internet.

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