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Old 08-07-2012, 04:08 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I think the point is that you don't dehydrate yourself in the first place. If you did, you would be in big trouble as you point out.

In other words, 95% of all fighters would have to move up a weight class. Something I would be happy to see.
I agree with the sentiment, BUT, you are giving fighters way too much credit.
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I agree with the sentiment, BUT, you are giving fighters way too much credit.
This, fighters are going to push the limits of their own health in order to gain any advantage possible.
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This, fighters are going to push the limits of their own health in order to gain any advantage possible.
Well then maybe it will take a really serious injury or even (dare I say it) a death to change their minds on weight cutting.

I've never liked the idea of fighters cutting stupid amounts of weight to gain advantages in a fight.

Be a man and fight at your natural weight class (Hi Rumble).
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Well then maybe it will take a really serious injury or even (dare I say it) a death to change their minds on weight cutting.
No, that won't help. They will still take the risk and in their mind it's only the other fighters that will get injured or die, because they think they are smarter themselves. The only thing that will change their mind on weight cutting is LOSING. When weight cutting becomes an disadvantage, they will immediately stop doing it. With weigh-ins at fight day it will become a disadvantage, because they won't be able to rehydrate that fast and consequently fighters who do big weight cuts will be weaker and will have less gas and hence will lose more often.
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Well then maybe it will take a really serious injury or even (dare I say it) a death to change their minds on weight cutting.

I've never liked the idea of fighters cutting stupid amounts of weight to gain advantages in a fight.

Be a man and fight at your natural weight class (Hi Rumble).
Pro wrestlers have proven that it makes no difference. Those dudes have been dropping like flies over the last decade and it hasn`t slowed them down one bit.

If you won`t put your life on the line, someone else will and until they die, they`ll probably make a lot more money and enjoy a lot more recognition. Benoit and Guererro enjoyed the most success of their careers when they were drugged out of their minds. Both guys put on like 40 lbs of pure muscle in the couple of years leading up to their deaths. They knew the risks, but they had never got to be World champions before they said `%$?* it` and went over the edge.

It would be the exact same way with same day weigh ins. The guys who took it too far would win fights due to the size advantage, and the risk of death wouldn`t deter them especially once they started making that Anderson Silva money.

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I agree with the sentiment, BUT, you are giving fighters way too much credit.
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This, fighters are going to push the limits of their own health in order to gain any advantage possible.
It's not possible to put the weight back on in such a short space of time. If they try, the fighter cutting weight will be at a *massive* disadvantage compared to a dude not cutting. In other words, fighters wont cut. Sure, they might find other ways to gain an advantage, but dropping 20 pounds and putting it back on again wont be one of them.

IF they we're to do pre fight weigh ins, what we'll see initially is a bunch of fights called off on fight day because a fighter has attempted to cut weight and blown it. This isnt a good thing. But with time, the fighters will realize that trying to fight at a weight class well below their natural weight is futile and will stop doing it.

Besides, if most fighters move up in weight then nobody will gain and advantage, right? Only a select few ( Edgar, Machida etc ) currently fight at their natural weights. These are the guys that will have a big advantage initially. Completely fair in my book.
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Pro wrestlers have proven that it makes no difference. Those dudes have been dropping like flies over the last decade and it hasn`t slowed them down one bit.

If you won`t put your life on the line, someone else will and until they die, they`ll probably make a lot more money and enjoy a lot more recognition. Benoit and Guererro enjoyed the most success of their careers when they were drugged out of their minds. Both guys put on like 40 lbs of pure muscle in the couple of years leading up to their deaths. They knew the risks, but they had never got to be World champions before they said `%$?* it` and went over the edge.

It would be the exact same way with same day weigh ins. The guys who took it too far would win fights due to the size advantage, and the risk of death wouldn`t deter them especially once they started making that Anderson Silva money.
Chris Benoit killed himself. He didn't die due to a heart attack or some other steroid related physical cause.
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Chris Benoit killed himself. He didn't die due to a heart attack or some other steroid related physical cause.
There was steroids in his system & most believe it played a role. (everyone outside of MMA & the WWE, basically) There's no definitive proof either way, honestly, but there's more weight to the "'roids played a big role" side.
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