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Old 08-06-2012, 04:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah this is really ****ed up. The most powerful man in the sport openly supporting this crap.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:00 PM   #22 (permalink)
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i cant stand TRT or fighters who use it.

its the circle of life, we get older and cant do what we previously could. It happens to all of us and you know what. ?? ITS NATURAL.!
Its actually not natural.

We would be dying at age 30 naturally. Its all the advances in medicine that allows us to live as long as we do.

Even as babys we are getting shots to combat illnesses. Those shots are no more natural then TRT shots are.
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I'll postpone my leave until TRT gets universally (ab)used by more fighters, don't worry.
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I'll postpone my leave until TRT gets universally (ab)used by more fighters, don't worry.
Oh... okay. By your comments i assumed you were done with MMA. My bad.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:06 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
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He's exactly right, it's medicine, and it's evolution basically.

These guys in their forties like Randy Couture and Dan Henderson can still compete at the highest level, how is that wrong?
Because they're clogging up divisions - veteran fighters staying longer = fewer young fighters getting their chance to shine...

You're getting old - deal with it
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One of the reasons I am against steroid use is because it allegedly is bad for your health, and I don't really know what is truth or fiction about all this, but if it's bad for the fighters health short or long term then I agree it should be prohibited.

TRT again I have no idea on how it affects fighters health long term or even short, if it is harmless and strictly beneficial and every fighter uses it I wouldn't have a problem. Just like any fighter taking vitamins or protein shakes.

But my feeling is TRT is probably harmful, that you can have probably have too much testosterone, and that fighters will try to abuse the rules around it - but they can do that anyway, making it legal and something tested for to a certain standard is something I don't find disagreeable, unless using it within the given amounts of the rules is actually bad for the body in some way.
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One of the reasons I am against steroid use is because it allegedly is bad for your health, and I don't really know what is truth or fiction about all this, but if it's bad for the fighters health short or long term then I agree it should be prohibited.

TRT again I have no idea on how it affects fighters health long term or even short, if it is harmless and strictly beneficial and every fighter uses it I wouldn't have a problem. Just like any fighter taking vitamins or protein shakes.

But my feeling is TRT is probably harmful, that you can have probably have too much testosterone, and that fighters will try to abuse the rules around it - but they can do that anyway, making it legal and something tested for to a certain standard is something I don't find disagreeable, unless using it within the given amounts of the rules is actually bad for the body in some way.
Yes, as with all medication there are certain side effects. The dose makes the poison.

Most steroids share a group of side effects like infertility, skin irritations (acne, rashes), mood changes (for better or worse), prostate cancer, negative effects on sleep apnae and raising your hematocrit which can be dangerous in itself.

Usually there is no danger for people who actually suffer from hypogonadism. So... how many of these professional athletes in their 30s do you think suffer from actual hypogonadism?

The thought of every fighter being free to use TRT makes me sick to my stomach...
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Makes no difference to me either way, but I find it funny how so many people think there is a difference between TRT and Steroids. TRT is a Steroid, it is Testosterone. Would come as Ethanate, Cypionate, or Propionate. All are the exact same as you would take if you wanted to go on a cycle. They are manufactured by the same companies under some circumstances. The Only difference is, one is given to you by a Doctor and deemed legal. And of course you would pay thousands of dollars. Even though you can buy a 10cc vial for $45 on the black market.
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At 20 years old we average 500 micrograms/day
At 40 years old we average 200 micrograms/day
At 80 years old we average 25 micrograms/day
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Because they're clogging up divisions - veteran fighters staying longer = fewer young fighters getting their chance to shine...

You're getting old - deal with it
Not quite.

TRT didn't stop Bader from beating Rampage.

Guys like Glover, Gus, Mr. Wonderful and even Prado if he turns out to be something special all have a chance to flourish at 205 but they have to do what Bader did with Rampage and that's beat these guys at the top.
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