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Old 08-11-2012, 12:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I fully agree with same day weigh ins, but let's look at the consequences for a sec: If same-day weigh ins were implemented, many, many fighters could not make their respective weight classes that they fight in currently because these same fighters rely on heavy weight cuts. These fighters would now be forced up a weight class or maybe even two. Here's my point: What we would see if this plan were implemented is a giant shift in the UFC towards the heavier divisions and a giant shift away from the lighter divisions, the very same divisions that are already weakly supported and not very deep. I mean, how many current FLW fighters right now can make 125lbs the morning of the fight? I venture to say that it is not that many, and we all know that the FLW/BW/FW divisions are all not all that deep as of yet due to being relatively newly created.

Just something to think about. That being said, I think they should move the weigh-ins to the same day anyways.
That's the point. Most fighters would have to move up a weight division, so mostly no advantage is gained. We still see the same guys fighting each other except at a higher weight = without half killing themselves cutting weight = better stamina = better fights.

There are not many fighters that would stay in their respective divisions. Edgar and Machida are the only ones that spring to mind.
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Old 08-11-2012, 02:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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But I think within five years the UFC will introduce a SUPER HW division.
They should install a Cruiser Weight (at about 230lbs) and above that a HW without limitation.
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Some excellent points made. Would love to see some of these ideas implemented
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Old 08-11-2012, 03:15 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Well, here's an advantage of weight cutting a day prior to the fight...fighters in different divisions can challenge each other and exceptions don't have to be made. An example would be, GSP fighting Anderson at 185lbs, although it's an advantage for Silva the general consensus is that it's a fair fight because both fighters weigh the same.

So I would argue weight cutting exists for marketing purposes and traditional purposes. Personally, I'd rather they have it on the same day as the fight, so I could see Jon Jones black ass have to fight Cain velazques lol
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Completely agree, I've always been a fan of same day 1 hour before fight weigh ins.

For the .01% fighters in these divs that are actually cutting more than 10% weight, GOOD, force them to actually fight in the class they belong in instead of taking diuretics and beating up little kids. And for guys like Edgar that fight above their weight class, also good for their own safety and careers.

That is exactly what weight classes were for, this "you can steam it, it's legal" is a mockery of the spirit of weight classes and horrible for fighter health.
I don't think it is .01% of fighters cutting more than 10%, I think a LOT of fighters that would fall into that category which is why I've changed my position on weight cutting. I felt it was something both fighters could do so there is no advantage. That is still true but fighters are cutting more and more weight to the point where it is starting to become dangerous.

It needs to be limited. If we are going to limit it, we get into some absurd situations trying to regulate that. i.e. If we cap it at 7% of body weight then we'll get all kinds of issues determining what a fighter's "normal" body weight is and therefore how much they can cut. Let's just go to one hour weigh ins and essentially say "no cutting weight".

I like your idea of fines related to how much you miss weight by. That way we don't have to worry about cancelling fights, we can just fine the crap out of dudes if they come in way over the limit.
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That's the point. Most fighters would have to move up a weight division, so mostly no advantage is gained. We still see the same guys fighting each other except at a higher weight = without half killing themselves cutting weight = better stamina = better fights.

There are not many fighters that would stay in their respective divisions. Edgar and Machida are the only ones that spring to mind.
True true. I just fear for the three lowest weight classes most of all, especially Flyweight.
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Old 08-11-2012, 04:50 PM   #17 (permalink)
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True true. I just fear for the three lowest weight classes most of all, especially Flyweight.
It's not like they would all get cut. They would simply all move up to the next division. There will be lots of room for them, because the next division up will also move on. etc.
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That's the point. Most fighters would have to move up a weight division, so mostly no advantage is gained. We still see the same guys fighting each other except at a higher weight = without half killing themselves cutting weight = better stamina = better fights.

There are not many fighters that would stay in their respective divisions. Edgar and Machida are the only ones that spring to mind.
Do you know what's crazy, I never sat back and thought of that. Great point. Only thing is I think if they did this they would need to make one more weight division in the form of a super hw of sorts. All the 205'er going up would end up running into monsters like JDS, overeem, brock etc. But Deep down I still think if the 205'ers didn't cut weight they would still do good, but against the top of the HW division, they would fail.

Tried repping you for that post but i need to spread it around.
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That's the point. Most fighters would have to move up a weight division, so mostly no advantage is gained. We still see the same guys fighting each other except at a higher weight = without half killing themselves cutting weight = better stamina = better fights.

There are not many fighters that would stay in their respective divisions. Edgar and Machida are the only ones that spring to mind.
You have it backwards. We would see less stamina out of almost every fighter because they would still try to cut weight but it would be right before the fight. It would also be way more dangerous for them.

You can't just suddenly expect everyone to fight at a different weight they've been fighting at their entire life anyway. It would ruin people's careers. LHW and HW would also be screwed. Probably FW and BW as well.
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Old 08-11-2012, 06:10 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Do you know what's crazy, I never sat back and thought of that. Great point. Only thing is I think if they did this they would need to make one more weight division in the form of a super hw of sorts. All the 205'er going up would end up running into monsters like JDS, overeem, brock etc. But Deep down I still think if the 205'ers didn't cut weight they would still do good, but against the top of the HW division, they would fail.

Tried repping you for that post but i need to spread it around.
Well, why not just add 10-15 pounds onto each division except for HW. So LHW becomes up to 220 with HW remaining at 265. On the opposite end, 125 becomes 135 and so on.

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You have it backwards. We would see less stamina out of almost every fighter because they would still try to cut weight but it would be right before the fight. It would also be way more dangerous for them.

You can't just suddenly expect everyone to fight at a different weight they've been fighting at their entire life anyway. It would ruin people's careers. LHW and HW would also be screwed. Probably FW and BW as well.
No dude. Think it through. Lets look at the upcoming fight between Edgar and Bendo. Imagine if Benson had to weigh 155 1 hour before the fight. He would be in awful condition for the actual fight and would almost certainly lose against somebody like Edgar. Any fighter would be stupid to attempt a cut with only one hour to put it back on. In other words, the fighters wont try. I can only imagine how shit a fight would look if both fighters are dehydrated. Why not both simply fight at your correct weight? So Edgar vs Bendo would never actually happen... which is the whole point. You really think any fighter would have an issue with not having to cut weight to compete? In time, they would all be mighty relived.


I think people are not considering that if 95% of all fighters move up a division, it doesnt actually make much difference. You are still fighting dudes your own size. Except neither of you are having to cut weight. Its absurd that this shit still goes on. It makes no sense.
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