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post #21 of 41 (permalink) Old 08-13-2012, 12:41 AM
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For me personally, I think Jake Shields is the most overrated fighter. He had a bunch of hype on him coming into the UFC, and even in his debut against Martin Kampmann I thought he lost that fight. Then lost 2 in a row to GSP and Ellenburger and then won 2 BORING decisions.

The guy trains with the Diaz brothers, but is the complete opposite of them. He is supposed to be the most feared submission guy but he hasn't picked up a submission win since 2009 back in Strikeforce. Kind of the same situation as Damien Maia.

I don't know.. just very frustrating. I like when guys come to FIGHT. It's like these submission specialists are having a more difficult time because top guys in their division are veterans and know how to defend against submissions..and since their striking is below average it makes for a lousy fight.

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Man I couldn't agree more. I was going to start the same topic myself, but you beat me to it.

Shields is officially the new UFC Blanket. I am so tired of these guys that are good enough to take you down and lay on top of you, but not good enough to do anything about it.
I just can't watch. It's so ******* boring and he is so hyped as some "Over the top world class submission specialist".

World Class Submission Specialist - Definition: Shitty striker that tries to clinch, then tries to take you down, then tries to advance position, then the round ends - rinse and repeat for 3 rounds. ******* boring ass shit.

Learn how to strike for gods sake. Then maybe you will be able to hurt someone, take them down and submit them, for real, like a real fighter.
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post #22 of 41 (permalink) Old 08-13-2012, 03:17 AM
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Man I couldn't agree more. I was going to start the same topic myself, but you beat me to it.

Shields is officially the new UFC Blanket. I am so tired of these guys that are good enough to take you down and lay on top of you, but not good enough to do anything about it.
I just can't watch. It's so ******* boring and he is so hyped as some "Over the top world class submission specialist".

World Class Submission Specialist - Definition: Shitty striker that tries to clinch, then tries to take you down, then tries to advance position, then the round ends - rinse and repeat for 3 rounds. ******* boring ass shit.

Learn how to strike for gods sake. Then maybe you will be able to hurt someone, take them down and submit them, for real, like a real fighter.
Sorry for being so blunt, but this post and the ones similar to it on this thread irritate me. If you want to see stickily striking, go watch boxing, K1, or some other forum of kickboxing.

You are watching MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. So if you don't like grappling, don't watch it dude. I have nothing against you and I'm not trying to upset you either, but when you watch MMA some fights will have clinching and grappling, and if the guy's opponent can't get up and get out of a bad situation, tough luck.

Maybe ED shouldn't have initiated the clinching almost every round, and maybe he should have sprawled and brawled with Shields, instead of playing straight into Shield's strongest part of his game - which is grappling and clinch work.

But to be fair, I didn't find the fight super exciting but I still enjoyed the technique Shields used and if ED didn't have a strong submission defensive style, the fight would have ended with a guillotine or armbar in the first.


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It really frustrates me watching Jake try to strike. I weigh 155 and I think i'd beat him in a Kickboxing match (no thai, he'd be too strong in the clinch). That comment obviously means nothing as i'm on an internet forum and sounds like i'm just bragging but anybody that has trained a striking art for a decent amount of time should watch Jake and think.. "WTF?"

The guy has been doing MMA for like 12 years or something now and he still doesn't have any idea how to strike. I don't even know how that's possible, surely he's been training striking as long as he's been in MMA.

If John Doe went to a Muay Thai class once per week for 12 years he would have better striking than Jake.

Sorry for the weird rant, I just don't get it.







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It really frustrates me watching Jake try to strike. I weigh 155 and I think i'd beat him in a Kickboxing match (no thai, he'd be too strong in the clinch). That comment obviously means nothing as i'm on an internet forum and sounds like i'm just bragging but anybody that has trained a striking art for a decent amount of time should watch Jake and think.. "WTF?"

The guy has been doing MMA for like 12 years or something now and he still doesn't have any idea how to strike. I don't even know how that's possible, surely he's been training striking as long as he's been in MMA.

If John Doe went to a Muay Thai class once per week for 12 years he would have better striking than Jake.

Sorry for the weird rant, I just don't get it.
Imagine how bad he would be diving for legs against Anderson? Silva could pull out a cellphone and start texting and use the other hand to KO Shields.

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I've been watching Shields since long before he came to Strikeforce or UFC and have to say I've never considered the guy a great "submission specialist." A great grappler, sure, but he doesn't go for submissions that often or that aggressively. He grabs them when they present themselves (like Lawler shoving his head into a guillotine) but for the most part seems content with top control.

And yes, he is a boring fighter.
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I liked the Kampmann fight though - Probably because it was so much fun seing Marting hanging with him on the ground, and even handling him at times... Sweeps are so awesome




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I liked the Kampmann fight though - Probably because it was so much fun seing Marting hanging with him on the ground, and even handling him at times... Sweeps are so awesome
Martin could've easily had that fight in the bag, he has some seriously questionable fighting IQ sometimes.







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Sorry for being so blunt, but this post and the ones similar to it on this thread irritate me. If you want to see stickily striking, go watch boxing, K1, or some other forum of kickboxing.

You are watching MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. So if you don't like grappling, don't watch it dude. I have nothing against you and I'm not trying to upset you either, but when you watch MMA some fights will have clinching and grappling, and if the guy's opponent can't get up and get out of a bad situation, tough luck.

Maybe ED shouldn't have initiated the clinching almost every round, and maybe he should have sprawled and brawled with Shields, instead of playing straight into Shield's strongest part of his game - which is grappling and clinch work.

But to be fair, I didn't find the fight super exciting but I still enjoyed the technique Shields used and if ED didn't have a strong submission defensive style, the fight would have ended with a guillotine or armbar in the first.
Dude I love grappling, but if that's the only thing you are good at then at lease do something exciting and attempt to finish the fight.

Guys like Joe Lauzon are guys I can appreciate, someone well rounded who has decent hands who can start the fight off standing and still make it a fight, and then once it hits the ground he's no slouch, he jumps on submissions right away and always finds a way to finish.
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