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Old 08-12-2012, 11:52 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Frankie wins on points because he is flat out the better fighter, which he showed against Bendo again.
This doesn't make any sense. If you're the flat out better fighter, then go out there and finish your opponent. Go out there and make a statement. Either go out there and finish the guy, or completely and utterly dominate him from round to round.

Frankie did neither. He also should have lost the first BJ Penn fight via getting out boxed.

Cya Frankie, you won't be missed.

Edit @ Tram, the Maynard fights were only exciting because Gray was beating Frankie up all over the octagon in the first rounds of both fights. Take those rounds out and you have two pretty average fights.

I appreciate Frankies heart and determination, but I find his style tediously boring to watch. Dart around for a while, leap in, 1-2 combo, dart back out. Rinse and repeat for 5 rounds.

No thanks. Time to bring on the real exciting talent in the LW picture. Finishers against finishers.

Nate vs Bendo is going to be fireworks.

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Old 08-12-2012, 11:55 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Also, the fact that Frank had, what, 3 fight of the year contending fights during this time kind of invalidates the "boring" argument. Sounds like it's written by a knock out hunter of a fan. It's entirely untrue that there aren't subtleties to this sport and that's a pretty ridiculous thing to even say Imo

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The Maynard fights were fights of the year contenders because Frankie was doing flips and running around like he's got a bag over his head. Lets be real, those were fight of the years because Frankie took a massive beating, not because Frankie laid a whooping on Maynard. Sure he finished him in their last fight, but he was still getting rocked in that fight too, which makes those comebacks and that finish fight of the year candidates.

If Frankie doesn't take a whooping in a fight, you will never see his fights be fight of the year candidates.
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This doesn't make any sense. If you're the flat out better fighter, then go out there and finish your opponent. Go out there and make a statement. Either go out there and finish the guy, or completely and utterly dominate him from round to round.

Frankie did neither. He also should have lost the first BJ Penn fight via getting out boxed.

Cya Frankie, you won't be missed.
Ah the guy who is glad someone got robbed is saying Frankie should have lost another fight based on points... Keep talking yourself in circles bud.
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:02 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Ah the guy who is glad someone got robbed is saying Frankie should have lost another fight based on points... Keep talking yourself in circles bud.
Well yea, this is karma, that's exactly my point. What goes around comes back around. Frankies entire UFC career has been based on a large points based scoring style. He was out boxed by BJ in the first fight and undeservedly got the nod (imo). Then he loses fair and square to Bendo in the first fight and starts whining to Uncle Dana about an undeserved rematch. So he gets the rematch and the judges don't give him the win.

That's justice in my eyes.

I get that you're a Frankie fan and I know what it's like to see one of your faves lose, it sucks.

But I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter, I'm not a fan of Frankie's style, never have been and I'm delighted that he lost.

Sorry, that's just the way I feel.
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Did you read the article? Where was this based on Frankies one performance? Edgar is notorious for his boring, points based boxing style in all of his fights. He's finished one fight in three years. His corner were even instructing him in the first Bendo fight to "just score points".

I'm just not a fan of point fighting in general and I'm glad that Frankie will be out of the title picture for a while (hopefully for good).
I was more of referring to your boring points fighter drop than the article itself. Your of course entitled to your opinion. Some like his fights, some don't.

I'm sort of relieved that i don't have to see Edgar-Diaz but can't help but feel sorry for Frankie.
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Frankie is a joy to watch and has always put on great fights. It's a shame he got robbed, but it's a shame that MMA fans can't understand the beauty and art of a good technical performance.
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I actually find Frankie extremely fun to watch, even though he beat my favourite fighter of all time twice (once... ), I really like his style. He mixes everything up, is fast, and lands often. His technique is beautiful to watch, some people just can't see it I guess.

So what if he doesn't finish every fight. Yes KO's and subs are extremely exciting, but that doesn't mean 5 round fights filled with technique and skill aren't.

Seems every fighters that goes to a decision a lot gets criticised for it and I really don't see why, especially when you take the level of competition into account.

Maynard has only ever been finished by Frankie (and Diaz on TUF I guess you could argue)

BJ has never been stopped at Lightweight. Hell, if Machida and Nick Diaz can't finish him...

Ben Henderson has also never been finished at lightweight (his one sub loss years ago was at a catchweight)

When facing such elite competition, finishes will be few and far between. Notice how none of the above finished Frankie either?
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:17 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Frankie is a joy to watch and has always put on great fights. It's a shame he got robbed, but it's a shame that MMA fans can't understand the beauty and art of a good technical performance.
Frankie and his team only have themselves to blame for any controversy last night.

They cried their way into a rematch and when push came to shove it turned out to be a typical Edgar fight. Where he had opportunities to move in and land more than his signature combinations (especially without hesitant Ben seemed going into the later rounds), he would quickly move out and instead leave an incredible amount of distance.

Was he afraid of Ben’s power? Was he not confident enough in his hands? It really doesn’t matter because either way they didn’t do enough to make a stamp on the fight or the score cards.

We hear “to be the champ you’ve got to beat the champ” so much, and heard it a ton after Edgar-Maynard 2. Well now that it’s their favorite NJ fighter on the other end of that, suddenly that statement doesn’t hold true.
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I actually find Frankie extremely fun to watch, even though he beat my favourite fighter of all time twice (once... ), I really like his style. He mixes everything up, is fast, and lands often. His technique is beautiful to watch, some people just can't see it I guess.

So what if he doesn't finish every fight. Yes KO's and subs are extremely exciting, but that doesn't mean 5 round fights filled with technique and skill aren't.

Seems every fighters that goes to a decision a lot gets criticised for it and I really don't see why, especially when you take the level of competition into account.

Maynard has only ever been finished by Frankie (and Diaz on TUF I guess you could argue)

BJ has never been stopped at Lightweight. Hell, if Machida and Nick Diaz can't finish him...

Ben Henderson has also never been finished at lightweight (his one sub loss years ago was at a catchweight)

When facing such elite competition, finishes will be few and far between. Notice how none of the above finished Frankie either?
I can appreciate his technique and skill as a fighter, what I don't understand is why he limits it so much?

Why does he just settle for just the 1-2 combination and then immediately create a huge amount of distance by darting out of the way?

Why does Frankie never follow up with his combos and land more shots in the pocket? In my opinion, it's simply because he's happy to score points and go to decision.

His moments of technique and and skill with his hands are too far and few between. Follow up a little Frankie. Land your 1-2 combo and then land more, land a 5-6-7-8 punch combo. Put the pressure on, go for the finish or look to really beat your opponent up instead just scoring points here and there.

I appreciate your opinion and understand why you find him exciting, but I hope that you, and others can appreciate other folks opinion from the opposite end of the spectrum. I've already had one anon neg rep saying "retard" and expect plenty more to follow.
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man what a hater. Frankie is awesome, i really love his style he mixes everything up so well, i think he has the best transitions in the game. Also last night when he kept ducking under bendos punches and going for the body, that was beautiful

BUT i am a bigger bendo fan, i thought he clearly won the 1st fight but i think edgar won the rematch (though i wouldnt call it a robbery it was still very close) but hey thats what happens when you leave close fights up to the judges and you arent the champ

still this article is BS, edgar is very fun to watch and i dont see the need for him to go downs, hes one of the best LWs ever, but a catch weight with aldo would be a fun fight, but thats the only fight i want to see him have at FW
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