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post #41 of 105 (permalink) Old 08-12-2012, 04:58 PM
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Interesting article although one sided I do like his/her writing style. I had the same sentiments about Edgar of course after he beat Penn. The Maynard fight won me over cuz he does have heart. Reality is Edgar may try to finish, but simply doesn't have the power. That's my thinking.

Now GSP can finish, but he hasn't. Lombard could have finished Boetsh, but didn't and Melvin as well vs Cerrone. The latter three all have one thing in common; it's mental. GSP got knocked out already and probably made a personal vow to never allow that to happen again + GJ camp, Lombard had nerves and was "injured", and Melvin somehow finds a way to lose.

That's what makes JDS, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo and even JBJ unique because they come to finish in emphatic fashion. I equate it like the NBA spurs...they win championships, but are boring as hell with their fundamentals. Everybody wants to see ACTION.

I'd like to add Renen Barao on the list even though he just decisioned a game opponent. I believe he will take out DC.

PS: Although he is a points fighter he's certainly more exciting than some of the others. He's constantly moving and has to rely on that system to win. So it's not mental it's more or less his physical attributes. Chael might be strong, but he doesn't possess KO ability. So he grinds people to death usually.

PSS: Even though I voted for Bendo both times I also thought Edgar won last night. Go figure...

I think the OP's getting a lot of slack for posting up the article. It's just one opinion that some agree and others do not. Maybe if he wrote it I could understand, it was probably meant to open up a dialogue.

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This is what I am thinking.

Oh and Frankie ruining the division? Yeah that's just..... No..... Not even close.
He put the division on hold for quite some time. That isn't a good thing.
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Maynard also whined.... Penn also whined.... It isn't just Frankie. People's hate in this thread is just leading to terribly biased posts.
True, but they aren't still fighting for the title over and over and over again. Bitching about the same thing. Maybe after the second time Frankie should have thought I don't know maybe to change it up a little. I can only hear the same thing so many times. I have a ton of respect for the guys heart and drive, but I can't listen to my best friend bitch a out the same thing that much.

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How is it incorrect? That's my opinion, not a fact buddy. It was a ridiculously close fight that could have gone either way.

This fight had no business happening anyways. Edgar didn't even deserve a rematch. Bendo decisively beat him last time. If Edgar won, Bendo would have gone to the back of the line even though they were 1-1. That's completely unfair which gave me even more reason to be happy.

But that wasn't the case. Edgar was beaten twice in a row and lost his belt. His fans can bitch and moan all they want, that will never change.
I didn't want this fight, Bendo won the first time plenty for me.

Fact is the rematch did happen and saying it was close means nothing. Sure it was close in the sense that both guys had their moments and it went the whole 25, but when the final bell sounded most people thought Edgar won, I guarantee it.

If Bendo is the rightful winner, we would not be having this conversation. The issue here is not whether the division is moving how you want it to, or whether people like Frankie Edgar's fighting, the issue is the scoring of these fights is consistently ****ed up, there is at least one awful decision in EVERY UFC event these days.

But Frankie Edgar is boring, so we like the bad decision this time. Get lost you clown.

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Who got screwed while he put the division on hold...Sotiropoulis? Guillard? Miller? who are a combined 3-7 in their last ten.
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He put the division on hold for quite some time. That isn't a good thing.
He didn't put anything on hold. He fought who the UFC gave him to fight. He took Penn's belt, and they gave Penn another chance. Then he drew against Maynard. It isn't like he purposely went in there to get rematches.


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i don't like Edgar or his fighting style, but the article is just hate.

i didn't think he deserved the rematch, but he probably should have won it. i could have lived with that as long as there wasn't another rematch.
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I didn't want this fight, Bendo won the first time plenty for me.

Fact is the rematch did happen and saying it was close means nothing. Sure it was close in the sense that both guys had their moments and it went the whole 25, but when the final bell sounded most people thought Edgar won, I guarantee it.

If Bendo is the rightful winner, we would not be having this conversation. The issue here is not whether the division is moving how you want it to, or whether people like Frankie Edgar's fighting, the issue is the scoring of these fights is consistently ****ed up, there is at least one awful decision in EVERY UFC event these days.

But Frankie Edgar is boring, so we like the bad decision this time. Get lost you clown.
Are you a judge? No, and neither am I. Fact is, Ben Henderson beat Edgar two times in a row and is the current champion. Like I said, that'll never change. Stop whining and get over it you bitch.

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He didn't put anything on hold. He fought who the UFC gave him to fight. He took Penn's belt, and they gave Penn another chance. Then he drew against Maynard. It isn't like he purposely went in there to get rematches.
Penn got a rematch because the loss was a huge shock and Penn was widely considered the LW goat.

Frankie begged for the rematch with Bendo which he didn't deserve, the rematch never should have happened.

He fought Gray Maynard and didn't do enough to win decisively and so the fight was scored a draw. Yet another rematch.

Seeing rematches over and over again just sucks the life out of the division and makes it boring.

If Edgar was given the nod against Bendo last night, he'd then more than likely fight Nate Diaz to yet another razor thin decision and we'd probably have to witness another rematch.

He just seems to scrape by every single fight and doesn't win impressively enough, thus causing controversy and outrage amongst the community and forcing rematches.

I just don't think that makes for a healthy or exciting division.
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Frankie and his team only have themselves to blame for any controversy last night.

They cried their way into a rematch and when push came to shove it turned out to be a typical Edgar fight. Where he had opportunities to move in and land more than his signature combinations (especially without hesitant Ben seemed going into the later rounds), he would quickly move out and instead leave an incredible amount of distance.

Was he afraid of Benís power? Was he not confident enough in his hands? It really doesnít matter because either way they didnít do enough to make a stamp on the fight or the score cards.

We hear ďto be the champ youíve got to beat the champĒ so much, and heard it a ton after Edgar-Maynard 2. Well now that itís their favorite NJ fighter on the other end of that, suddenly that statement doesnít hold true.
I'm not arguing that.

My point is Edgar has won what, five FOTN's?

He's brilliant, he's technically sound but because his record is full of decisions instead of knock outs, he's boring. It's like people don't even watch him fight.

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