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Old 08-13-2012, 10:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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For Cormier to choose JDS is hard to analyse. I think we need to see Cain vs JDS 2 before judging Cormiers chances. We surely will get too see just how great the TD defense of JDS, against Cain. If Cain can get JDS down then surely Cormier can and that has to be his gameplan because Cormier cant stand with JDS.
I personally think Cain will beat JDS in the rematch.

For Cormier to fight Jones then he will have a good chance. Cormier has the wrestling and perhaps weight to beat Jones. That isnt enough though and I think it could come down to willpower. Cormier has proven his toughness and crucially doesnt wilt from big strikes.
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I think Jones' wrestling is enough to nullify a TD. Hell, Jones has tooled very accomplished wrestlers. Jones may not have one shot KO power, but he'll beat you to a pulp until you quit regardless of how tough you are (see Shogun).
Jones hasn't fought anyone near the level of wrestling that Cormier has.

Yea, he beat Shogun down. But he went 5 rounds with Rashad, beat him easily, but it wasn't a beat down. Same goes for Rampage, he easily out-struck him but it wasn't a beat down He wore him out and then choked him out. He didn't beat Machida down. He landed like 1 or 2 good strikes. Then caught him with the choke. The guys he has beat down besides Shogun were guys who were caught underneath his elbows.
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Cormier is nuts man this guy has no fear. He's has the best pure wrestler creds in MMA today and bombs on his hands. Tough fight for anyone he faces.

Jones' wrestling is good but not Olympic runner up good. Cormier would put him on his back like he says, and then we'd see how Jones faces that challenge.

I still think Jones and JDS win, but tough exciting fights for sure.
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I'd prefer to see him debut against someone like Big Country and have top tier experience before going in against someone like Jones/JDS. He gets 5 round decisioned off of Jones to me and KOed by JDS, but if he fights through the ranks his entire game will improve before those fights ever happen.
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I'd prefer to see him debut against someone like Big Country and have top tier experience before going in against someone like Jones/JDS. He gets 5 round decisioned off of Jones to me and KOed by JDS, but if he fights through the ranks his entire game will improve before those fights ever happen.
Barnett and Mir are both top tier though, Big country would be a step down for Cormier and he's certainly not getting younger .. people forget this guy is 33 and only has a few good years left, no time or need for more tuneup fights IMO.
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Barnett and Mir are both top tier though, Big country would be a step down for Cormier and he's certainly not getting younger .. people forget this guy is 33 and only has a few good years left, no time or need for more tuneup fights IMO.
Yeah I'm not really taking his age into it.

I'm not 100% on Barnett, but is he a wrestler? Either way, people like Mir are suited for Cormier. Mir is going to get battered on the stand up and will be looking for the sub on the ground. He can pull off anything, as seen against Nog, but I think he won't be able to lock it in as he's been quite lucky with submissions at times and Cormier won't make the mistake.

I think someone like Big Country is a good fight because it'll be a main stage fight. Maybe a co-main event on PPV. Roy can knock anyone out, so Cormier will have to make sure he thinks about everything before he does it. He'll probably use his striking mainly because he will want an impressive debut, and every fighter stepping in with Nelson accepts the "Knock out the fat dude challenge", so he will be trying hard with his punches (which will be a massive help going in with Dos Santos down the line). Although he's really strong and great at striking, I think he has a long way to go if he wants to box with Dos Santos or keep Velasquez away from beating him by punch ****.
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Yeah I'm not really taking his age into it.

I'm not 100% on Barnett, but is he a wrestler? Either way, people like Mir are suited for Cormier. Mir is going to get battered on the stand up and will be looking for the sub on the ground. He can pull off anything, as seen against Nog, but I think he won't be able to lock it in as he's been quite lucky with submissions at times and Cormier won't make the mistake.

I think someone like Big Country is a good fight because it'll be a main stage fight. Maybe a co-main event on PPV. Roy can knock anyone out, so Cormier will have to make sure he thinks about everything before he does it. He'll probably use his striking mainly because he will want an impressive debut, and every fighter stepping in with Nelson accepts the "Knock out the fat dude challenge", so he will be trying hard with his punches (which will be a massive help going in with Dos Santos down the line). Although he's really strong and great at striking, I think he has a long way to go if he wants to box with Dos Santos or keep Velasquez away from beating him by punch ****.
Barnett is 100 times the fighter Nelson is. his grappling is better and he knows how to strike rather then just throwing an overhand right all the time.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:57 AM   #19 (permalink)
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If he beats Mir I think he deserves a HW title shot on arriving in the UFC, LHW not so much I think he should have to win a No. 1 Contender fight first. Depends on the situation of each division, Dana may put him straight into a LHW title fight.

Cormier is a nightmare for either division, only guy I would pick against him right now is JDS.
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I don't know if Cormier can make 205, without dying in the process, tbh.

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Strikeforce heavyweight Daniel Cormier, who just snuck into the SF Heavyweight Grand Prix tournament as an alternate replacing Alistair Overeem, had to miss his shot at Olympic gold in 2010 when his kidneys failed in Beijing. Cormier was cutting weight to compete at 211lbs.

Now he's a permanently undersized heavyweight who doesn't dare try to make 205lbs because he doesn't dare push his kidneys again.

Cormier is no doubt familiar with the symptoms of Acute Renal Failure (ARF) like dry mouth, lack of urine, headache, lower back pain, nausea, and drowsiness. ARF can be treated with fluids and a quick rehydration, but it can also become Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD) if the fighter's kidneys give out from the strain.

It's not just the kidneys that don't do well when the body is drained of fluids. Dehydrated brains are an even bigger threat to fighter health. Boxing fans old enough to remember Duk Koo Kim know why same day weigh ins are a thing of the past. Kim took a 14 round beating from Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini the same day he made a brutal cut down to 135lbs.

Without sufficient time to rehydrate before the fight, Kim's dried up brain slammed against his skull every time Mancini's gloves made contact and after 14 rounds it was too much. Kim died 4 days after the bout.

MMA fighters need to be aware of the dangers of weight cutting when they sign those contracts and hit those scales. As long as fighters think they can get an advantage by fighting in a smaller weight class and coming in heavier than their opponent these risks will be with the sport.
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But it would be interesting to see him against either guy.

However i see him at HW.
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