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Old 08-15-2012, 06:50 AM   #41 (permalink)
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One thing is for sure is that Nate is going to have sore legs after this fight. He's not even going to try and defend them. It will just be him walking through and telling Bendo to stop being a bitch and start throwing some punches.

I didn't watch a lot of WEC, but what I've seen from Bendo sof ar is that he likes to move back a bit, throw the leg kicks and stay technical with his striking. I think the main thing to underline is moving back. It's the worst thing you can do against a Diaz bro because you can find yourself against the cage before you know it. When you're on the back foot, Diaz will drop his hands and start teeing off with the stockton slap.

I don't think Diaz will sub Bendo, but I don't think Ben will be so quick to take it to the ground. I think he'll like to keep it standing and try to be as technical as possible, and he will probably win the first two rounds by digging in the leg kicks. As Diaz doesnt use any real footwork or kicks, the damaged legs won't really be his biggest concern.

I think (and hope) that in the 3rd, like Frankie did, Diaz will stand finding some success. Bendo can get a big complacent and I think Nate will capitalize. He'll be pouring on the pressure, backing Bendo up and then hammering away with the usual combinations.

I seen someone earlier in this thread mention his speed, but even though the fight 'wrong', speed isn't someone Diaz needs. He doesn't fight like that. The punches are long and accurate, and the angles can leave the opponent unsuspecting. The hands at his side style isn't something many fighters have come across and they will be letting their own hands hover south without even noticing it.

VERY interesting fight though.

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Old 08-15-2012, 07:07 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I think Henderson has a way of winning by kicking and running and getting useless takedowns that he does nothing with.
There is so much "wrong" in this text.

1. Kicking and running - Henderson is always trying to put pressure on his adversary. Don't know if i ever saw him "running".
Maybe "intelligently backing off" or moving smartly in the cage, trying to avoid punches or TD attempts - yes.
Running - no.

2. uselles takedowns?! - you might have to ask Miller, Guida, Cerrone or Bocek about that.

He got Guida's back and Pettis' also and almost got a RnC on Pettis aswell.

And Miller + Bocek got to feel what "nice" GnP feels like.
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:47 AM   #43 (permalink)
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While Diaz's boxing may cause a problem for Henderson, keep in mind one thing: Diaz is much much slower than Edgar, in terms of movement in the cage.
Edgar bounces around like a rabbit on crack most of the times. His constant movement is what made it difficult for Henderson to catch him time and time again with the leg kicks.

Diaz with his "in your face style", coming forward to you, is much more likely to be on the receiving end of Henderson's leg kicks. And if Bendo lands a big ammount of leg kicks he will slow Diaz down even more.

Secondly, Diaz's wrestling problems. He has shown it time and time again. The first time in a long time i haven't seen him have problems was against Miller. But Miller isn't a high caliber wrestler like Henderson imo. Proof of that is their fight, where Henderson controlled Miller for most of the fight on the ground and inflicted big damage with heavy GnP.
Diaz may be more dangerous from the bottom, in terms of submission attempts, but Hendo is no slouch when it comes to submission defense, and he proved it time and time again: against Cerrone, Miller, Boceck or Pettis.

Diaz's history against bigger-stronger wrestlers - like Rory, Guida, Maynard or Kim, makes me believe he won't be able to fend of Henderson's wrestling attacks and he could find himself on his back looking for sweeps or sub attepts, while trying to avoid GnP.

In conclusion i believe the key to this fight is Henderson's strategy: i think he might go for a mix betweeen Condit's strategy against Nick and Rory MacDonald's strategy against Nate. Leg kicks + point fighting and then trying to take the fight to the ground, scoring with GnP.

My money will be on Henderson, for a clear UD: 49-46 or 50-45.



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Much much slower.

And that will make him a much easier target than Edgar ever was.
Diaz didn't have any problems with Gray Maynards wrestling, he subbed Gray Maynard in the first fight and there was no wrestling involved in the second fight. He only had real problems with Rory Macdonalds wrestling in the third round.

Also, Bendo is a good kicker, but certainly not a great one. Donald Cerrone has much better kicks than Bendo, he has better technique and more power in them than Henderson.

Hendersons kicks aren't going to stop a Diaz brother marching forwards and throwing punches in his face all night long. Henderson has shown he doesn't really react well to pressure either, he tends to move backwards in a straight line quite a lot when directly pressured, that's not good.

I'm real excited to see this one hit the mat.
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Diaz didn't have any problems with Gray Maynards wrestling, he subbed Gray Maynard in the first fight and there was no wrestling involved in the second fight. He only had real problems with Rory Macdonalds wrestling in the third round.

Also, Bendo is a good kicker, but certainly not a great one. Donald Cerrone has much better kicks than Bendo, he has better technique and more power in them than Henderson.

Hendersons kicks aren't going to stop a Diaz brother marching forwards and throwing punches in his face all night long. Henderson has shown he doesn't really react well to pressure either, he tends to move backwards in a straight line quite a lot when directly pressured, that's not good.

I'm real excited to see this one hit the mat.
Diaz was taken down and controlled by Kim for 2 rounds also.

I think you might be over-estimating Diaz' striking and the pressure he can put on his adversaries during a fight.
Or, you are underestimating Benson's striking defense - wich i will translate into takedowns.

Diaz' TD defense will be much more important than Benson's striking defense in this fight.
Also, Benson has seen Diaz vs Cerrone and has an idea on how to implement a game plan, better than Diaz can imo.

IMO, Benson can copy what what worked out well for Cerrone against Diaz, much better (easier) than what Diaz can copy from Edgar (against Benson).....if you get my idea.

But that is your opinion and, of course, i have mine.

We should talk after the fight.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:31 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Diaz was taken down and controlled by Kim for 2 rounds also.

I think you might be over-estimating Diaz' striking and the pressure he can put on his adversaries during a fight.
Or, you are underestimating Benson's striking defense - wich i will translate into takedowns.

Diaz' TD defense will be much more important than Benson's striking defense in this fight.
Also, Benson has seen Diaz vs Cerrone and has an idea on how to implement a game plan, better than Diaz can imo.

IMO, Benson can copy what what worked out well for Cerrone against Diaz, much better (easier) than what Diaz can copy from Edgar (against Benson).....if you get my idea.

But that is your opinion and, of course, i have mine.

We should talk after the fight.
Nothing is set in stone, this is all just speculation on our parts, but I don't think Diaz' TDD will be an issue.

I don't think Diaz will mind going to the ground with Benson, in fact, I think Nate out classes Bendo on the ground with sweeps and submissions. After seeing Nate completely school Miller, a very solid BJJ practitioner who had never been subbed before. Diaz made it look easy.

I just feel Nates last two fights at LW have demonstrated the ridiculous rate he is evolving and developing at now. Jims grappling was supposed to be a huge problem for him, but it seemed like just a walk in the park.

I think Nate is really coming into his own and is going to have his way with Bendo in any area the fight takes place.

We'll see, either way, it should make for a great fight.
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Im sure Diaz has been working on his wrestling, its a 5 rounder which i feel will be beneficial to both men in the sense i dont feel this fight is going to end quick, this fight will be won in the later rounds, i feel round 4 will be the round to decide the fight.
I hope the game plan is adequate, i can see a similar Condit vs Nick Diaz type strategy coming from Henderson.
I favour Nate on this one, i dont think either fighter has any drastic advantage over the other so this fight will be good.
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Henderson's strategy will be: leg kicks, leg kicks, TDs.

Diaz has a history of having problems against bigger, stronger guys, who have a good wrestling game: Rory, Kim, Guida, Maynard.

Henderson falls in the same cathegory.

I give Diaz the advantage in the striking department...but at the end of the day he is no Frankie Edgar, even though his boxing is top notch, he doesn't have the speed that Frankie has, and that was what caused Henderson a lot of problems in his fight against Frankie.

If Henderson is smart, he will take it to the ground and try to use heavy GnP, similar to Rory.

Either way, should be a good fight.

My money is on Henderson.
Jim Miller was his most recent fight and Miller has excellent wrestling too. Nate's game has seriously improved and both Kim and Rory were much larger and stronger than him during Diaz's WW run.

Diaz has more ways to win imo (sub, Tko, KO) where as the only way I see Henderson winning is by decision.
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I have never wanted a Diaz to win, until now. I can't stand Benson, hopefully he wears him down and finishes Benson in the 3rd or 4th.
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Diaz by flying head kick off the fence. he's watched the Pettis fight and Henderson will be too busy trying to learn the from the Condit fight to prepare for a kicking Diaz.
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To me, going back on Nate's history isn't really relevent. From Gomi until now, he's been dominant. When we seen him getting thrown everyone by Rory MacDonald, no one really expected him to earn a title shot, let alone demolish Jim Miller and Donald Cerrone. Nate is a new fighter now. He's focused, his striking is now 100% up to part with Nick's and he has always has great submissions off of his back. With the striking now reaching it's full potential I think he can stop people from using their wrestling a lot better.

I don't think Bendo will go for wrestling anyways. He will be put on the back foor which makes takedowns quite predictable. He is best to use his footwork and move around the ring, digging in hard leg kicks until he takes the decision. Sort of like a steroid enduced version of what Condit did. Bendo isn't going to run away or tip tap with leg kicks so he would take a more clear decision if the fight plays out that way.
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