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Old 08-16-2012, 01:55 PM   #101 (permalink)
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How do you control the cage in the 2nd if most all of your TDs get stuffed? How is that controlling the cage? Fact is Sonnen's wrestling stopped working. Anderson hit him with punches long before Chael went tumbling to the ground. Anderson was punching him in the face the whole round.

No one is disputing Chael has been Anderson's biggest threat. Show me where someone has or quit making shit up.
Cage control, genius. That Silva stuffed one or two TDs doesn't mean his back wasn't against the cage the bulk of the second. We both know who scores points in that scenrio, and so you can stop blindly ignoring it.

And lol @ you accusing anyone of 'making shit up'. You're desperately trying to convey that Silva was handing Sonnen his ass up until Chael stumbled over himself, which is so far from the truth it's no longer worth entertaining.

Get over yourself. I'll let one of the other dozen or so posters in disagreement with you carry on this useless discussion.
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Old 08-16-2012, 02:02 PM   #102 (permalink)
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blah, blah, blah....everyone, Silva won!

Now please, let's focus on the Sonnen - Griffin fight.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:05 PM   #103 (permalink)
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blah, blah, blah....everyone, Silva won!

Now please, let's focus on the Sonnen - Griffin fight.
Sonnen pressures griffin with his boxing, gets the double, and maintains top control for the rest of the first round.

Does the same in the second.

3rd round, griffin gives up. Taps to strikes. walks out the cage. retires.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:13 PM   #104 (permalink)
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How is Chael a favorite when Forrest beat em before. That's hilarious. It would appear that everybody has lost faith in Forrest.

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Chael is -300
Forrest is +220
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:26 PM   #105 (permalink)
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How is Chael a favorite when Forrest beat em before. That's hilarious. It would appear that everybody has lost faith in Forrest.

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9 years ago. Since then Chael has only gotten better while Forrest has seemed to decline.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:46 PM   #106 (permalink)
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9 years ago. Since then Chael has only gotten better while Forrest has seemed to decline.
Forrest got better then declined*
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:11 AM   #107 (permalink)
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You honestly think Sonnen wanted to throw that backfist? Backfists aren't dumb? Yes they are if you are a wrestler facing one of the most elusive fighters of all time. Why would a wrestler throw a spinning backfist against ANderson Silva?

He did because his TDs weren't working. So what else were he to do besides get desperate?

He ended up falling on his ass after he got handled the whole 2nd round. If you watch the fight it is easy to realize.

Why didn't Sonnen throw a stupid spinning backfist the whole first fight? Because he wasn't desperate. Because his TDs were working.
Whats the point in posting again if you're just going to repeat yourself? You're still offering nothing to back up your statement apart from your so called "logic" and stupid statements like "If you watch the fight it's easy to realize". Yeah buddy, you're the only person here who actually watched the fight, OK.

Do I think Sonnen wanted to throw a backfist? Yes, I know he did, or else he wouldn't have thrown it? Why would a wrestler throw a spinning backfist at Anderson Silva? The same reason they'd throw a jab, a right cross, a hook, a leg kick probably...to hit the guy? Chael's not just a wrestler, he's an MMA fighter and he's practised that move for years.
It's not like Silva threw some incredible counter to the SBF that clocked Chael cold, he just slipped, the same thing could have happened if he threw a leg kick for god's sake.

That point about Chael getting desperate because the takedowns not working is daft anyway, you're acting like Silva didn't stuff any of Chael's takedowns in their first fight. You have a much better chance of completing a takedown if you shoot in while your opponent has their hands up to defend strikes, so it's necessary most of the time to stand with your opponent for a bit to keep them guessing rather than just shooting the whole fight.

Anyway what do I know, you've watched a fight on TV, you're clearly the expert.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:56 PM   #108 (permalink)
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How many of Chael's fights have you seen? You've said something, but you havn't backed it up with any kind of reasoning or example.

We've never seen him get schooled on the feet by anyone. Granted he got dropped by the best striker in MMA, but that was after he was badly winded from a brutal knee to the body on the ground. That remains the only time the man has ever been stopped via strikes. Statistically, he's also the least hit middleweight in UFC history. While it's not his bread and butter, Chael Sonnen is not a bad stand-up fighter for MMA by any stretch.
Well to be honest the only reason he doesn't get hit much is because he wrestles everyone, not because of his standup. He doesn't get schooled on the feet because noone can keep it there.

Has he ever done anything impressive standing except catching Silva by surprize once in the best fight of his career, and also Silvas worst fight.

His standup looks goofy and awkward & he also tried a spinning attack against the best triker in the UFC, wich makes me believe he has a bit bad fighting-iq when it comes to striking.

So I ask you what has he ever done to prove he has any kind of striking skills? He has a good chin and great wrestling so he charges ppl and holds them down, hence the statistics.
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No way Chael loses this fight. Forrest just doesn't do anything anymore... it's like he forgot how to fight.
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:32 PM   #110 (permalink)
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No way Chael loses this fight. Forrest just doesn't do anything anymore... it's like he forgot how to fight.
Eh. I would typically agree with you. I also thought that there was no way Franklin would lose to Griffin...

Griffin turned out to be just too big for Franklin. He may be too big for Chael. Chael's going to expend a lot of energy taking a guy like Forrest down and holding him.
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